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      09-13-2016, 05:23 PM   #45
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Not sure I care for the machine gun sound..
From everything I've seen that video overstates the machine gun backfiring.
Yeah - don't need that - just want the power.

Wish there was a power and a little bit of sound option.

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Or jb4 and any decent exhaust in a few months and save $1500.
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Not sure I care for the machine gun sound..
From everything I've seen that video overstates the machine gun backfiring.
Yeah - don't need that - just want the power.

Wish there was a power and a little bit of sound option.

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Jb4 will get that 340 cruising
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You're playing a losers game if you're worried about adding value to a depreciating item.
Not so much worried. BMW definitely weights things in favor of loaded cars on leases. People who buy generally keep their cars significantly longer than 3 years. I read somewhere in the US typically those who buy keep their cars until they are dead. The longer you have it, the less it matters.

True, those who mod a lot are throwing money away, but it's a hobby, so it doesn't matter.

It might cost less to own an M3 sparsely equipped than a heavily optioned 3 series, depending on the time frame and details.

There will come a day when all you can buy is a glorified golf cart. Then watch folks hold onto their gas powered cars.
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Had this installed last week on my 340i in the UK. Fantastic noise and boost. It puts a huge grin on your face!

The numbers I've been given states 360bhp upgrade on S-Drive and 500nm torque. But that feels undercooked vs what it's actually giving out.
Does the sound change at all in comfort vs. sport/sport+?
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Not so much worried. BMW definitely weights things in favor of loaded cars on leases. People who buy generally keep their cars significantly longer than 3 years. I read somewhere in the US typically those who buy keep their cars until they are dead. The longer you have it, the less it matters.

True, those who mod a lot are throwing money away, but it's a hobby, so it doesn't matter.

It might cost less to own an M3 sparsely equipped than a heavily optioned 3 series, depending on the time frame and details.

There will come a day when all you can buy is a glorified golf cart. Then watch folks hold onto their gas powered cars.
That is exactly a thought I'm having.

Is it worth it to spend $3500 on this option or just upgrade to M3 all together?
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Not sure I care for the machine gun sound..
From everything I've seen that video overstates the machine gun backfiring.
Yeah - don't need that - just want the power.

Wish there was a power and a little bit of sound option.

#firstworldproblems
Jb4 will get that 340 cruising
Definitely thinking about JB4 again. I had talked myself into the MPPSK until I saw the 6MT version was derated vs 8AT.

Wish I knew why. Can't think of a good technical reason, given that JB4 seems to make no such distinction.

And if that's the case is it a BMW product positioning thing? Can't see why that would be the case either... :
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Not sure I care for the machine gun sound..
From everything I've seen that video overstates the machine gun backfiring.
Yeah - don't need that - just want the power.

Wish there was a power and a little bit of sound option.

#firstworldproblems
Jb4 will get that 340 cruising
Definitely thinking about JB4 again. I had talked myself into the MPPSK until I saw the 6MT version was derated vs 8AT.

Wish I knew why. Can't think of a good technical reason, given that JB4 seems to make no such distinction.

And if that's the case is it a BMW product positioning thing? Can't see why that would be the case either... :
BMW isn't paying to replace your clutch if you go JB4... That's why.
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Emailed my CA to get this on my car.. this was the last thing I was waiting on, and I got impatient and jumped the gun by a day.

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Does the sound change at all in comfort vs. sport/sport+?
Yes, it's valved, so in comfort, unless you REALLY get on it, the valves stay closed and it's 'quieter' (though still louder than stock in comfort mode)
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BMW isn't paying to replace your clutch if you go JB4... That's why.
What he said..
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Not sure I care for the machine gun sound..
From everything I've seen that video overstates the machine gun backfiring.
Yeah - don't need that - just want the power.

Wish there was a power and a little bit of sound option.

#firstworldproblems
Jb4 will get that 340 cruising
Definitely thinking about JB4 again. I had talked myself into the MPPSK until I saw the 6MT version was derated vs 8AT.

Wish I knew why. Can't think of a good technical reason, given that JB4 seems to make no such distinction.

And if that's the case is it a BMW product positioning thing? Can't see why that would be the case either... :
BMW isn't paying to replace your clutch if you go JB4... That's why.
Jb4 is not detectable when taken off. I don't think they will replace a clutch stock. Is that not considered a wear item like tires?
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This is no different than the last M Performance exhauts. What a shame. Sounds way too dry, definitely not my taste of sound. Sounds pretty bad. Go with Akrapovic. It's more money but you get what you pay for.
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This is no different than the last M Performance exhauts. What a shame. Sounds way too dry, definitely not my taste of sound. Sounds pretty bad. Go with Akrapovic. It's more money but you get what you pay for.
Wonder how that works with warranty if you do mppk and change exhaust.
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BMW isn't paying to replace your clutch if you go JB4... That's why.
Jb4 is not detectable when taken off. I don't think they will replace a clutch stock. Is that not considered a wear item like tires?
BMW reduced the power for the manual on the MPPK because the manual transmission clutch would have a shorter lifespan with the increased torque. The JB4 guys don't care about the life of your clutch. I think maybe you were skimming past the context of my remark. Hopefully this clarifies it.
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This video is really what you need to hear to convince you....

Music in my ear!!!

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That is exactly a thought I'm having.

Is it worth it to spend $3500 on this option or just upgrade to M3 all together?
The M3 is a completely different level of car.
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Fantastic!

Jason - Am I correct in remembering that there might be a contest for the MPPSK you received? If so, any details on that?
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The ATs have higher torque limits, that's just the modern reality.

On the value of the MPPSK, remember it is a full cat back exhaust. So a comparable aftermarket setup would be full AWE w/mid pipe + Jb4. That's $1950 + $500 = $2450 vs $3100 for the MPPSK. $700 difference. It's better outright performance vs warranty security and better integration (tune works with valved exhaust). Whichever route you go, I'd say the MPPSK value is actually pretty good for a factory option.
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I got a quote from my CA - MSRP is $3195 + $300 for the Chrome tips (more if you want the Carbon Fiber tips).

I am getting it for ~$2700 - so $1500 more than I would have gotten just the MPE Axleback exhaust for. Probably not worth it when you consider how much Jb4 is, but since it is a lease - it will actually only cost me $15 more a month for 36 months or $540 versus the cost of the car with MPE ... So when you look at it that way - totally worth it!
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Well I wouldve got this PIA had it come earlier but now I really have to think it over given only a 2 yr warranty and a 3 grand price tag.. maybe I'll wait on this one to see what first adopters in the US think.
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This thing sounds better than the 335 Mperformance exhaust... F*kers.
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The 3195 price is port installed? With just the MPPSK it is 2,820.00 MSRP so they are adding ~400 for the install which is about what I would expect. Has anyone been quoted install prices for post delivery yet?
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