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      09-14-2016, 10:42 AM   #89
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M_Fan is completely correct. BMW and other manufacturers always build in a margin for production variances on parts and also for warranty reasons.
For those who point out jb4+ think about if the transmission fails who pays? No warranty and the loser will be you. If BMW offered the same power tune as JB and little margin and parts start failing than BMW is going to pay millions if not hundreds of millions in warranty claims or unhappy customers with failed trannys.
Then we have the guys who point out marketing reasons due to the M3. If they turn up the tune on the 340 then they will have to turn up the tune on the M3 and now BMW would be close to the parts safety margin on not only the 340 but also the M3 and other cars.
There is always a safety margin in which if crossed will cost BMW lots of money. JB doesn't have to consider these margins.
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      09-14-2016, 11:01 AM   #90
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This sounds absolutely ridiculous and cheap.
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I just texted my dealer. Hopefully I can get them installed @ port before my final delivery in October



BMW probably understated the numbers as usual. It's also worth knowing that warranty will not be voided.
My emphasis is the sound and extra HP isn't justified in the price is all. I'm just saying you could obviously do better with an aftermarket set up and tune for half. The warranty only gets voided if it causes an issue with the engine as BMW has to prove it. It's definitely a trade off for sure. Heck the PE sounds much better than this for less. But at least BMW is the best company imo and is on the cutting edge with new products and candy for us.
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      09-14-2016, 12:09 PM   #92
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Wonder how much this would cost in Canada! Definitely gonna consider this for a Christmas present for myself !!
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      09-14-2016, 12:24 PM   #93
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My emphasis is the sound and extra HP isn't justified in the price is all. I'm just saying you could obviously do better with an aftermarket set up and tune for half. The warranty only gets voided if it causes an issue with the engine as BMW has to prove it. It's definitely a trade off for sure. Heck the PE sounds much better than this for less. But at least BMW is the best company imo and is on the cutting edge with new products and candy for us.
Where can you get a catback exhaust + tune setup for half the MPPSK cost?
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      09-14-2016, 12:38 PM   #94
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I've considered jb4 + awe/midpipe option but jb4 is highly illegal here in California and most dealers won't even sell/install it.
Also the reliability of the jb4 hasn't been proven on b58 engines yet so it has me worried.
MPPSK might be relatively costly but not having to worry about voiding warranty is definitely worth it! Especially when purchasing extended warranty in my case
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some people suggested to add it to m3. is ot better than m3 exhaust?
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      09-14-2016, 02:24 PM   #96
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I don't see how some are saying this is overpriced or not worth it. AWE exhaust+ midpipe & JB4 is ~$2500 and MPPSK is ~$2700 for full exhaust + ECU flash. It may not give as much power as JB4 but MPPSK has warranty coverage and is a true ECU flash so less likely to run into issues which imo would be better than the JB4 piggyback. Not to say JB4 is a bad option as I will probably add something like that later down the road but neither is this kit.
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      09-14-2016, 02:31 PM   #97
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That is so weak I can't believe it. What a waste imo.
It's not even for your car lol don't worry about it
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      09-14-2016, 02:32 PM   #98
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Where can you get a catback exhaust + tune setup for half the MPPSK cost?
I don't think the MPPSK is a bad deal, but it would be super cheap to throw just a downpipe and JB4 on there and call it a day.

You could also have any decent shop fab a resonator delete if that's still not enough sound.

There's no real need for a full exhaust on these cars (coming from a guy who has a full AWE and loves it).
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I don't think the MPPSK is a bad deal, but it would be super cheap to throw just a downpipe and JB4 on there and call it a day.

You could also have any decent shop fab a resonator delete if that's still not enough sound.

There's no real need for a full exhaust on these cars (coming from a guy who has a full AWE and loves it).
Of course JB4 + downpipe is the cheapest route to more power. But now we're talking being comfortable running no cat, potential emissions issues, etc. All I have been saying is that for what you actually get with the MPPSK, it's not a bad deal vs. truly comparable aftermarket options. Whether you need/want what is included in the kit is of course a personal decision, but for people interested in tune + full exhaust it isn't a bad deal.
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What are people being quoted.
I got $2969 with tax ($2768 w/o tax) Plus $400 for vehicle programming. So $3,369 all in. Chrome tips and dealer installed. Car delivered in May 16'. Told it was currently available, as in he can get the parts for me Monday if ordered by tomorrow. Which I asked him to do my wife's going to be so happy I'm modding her car.

I think I also have a special pricing relationship with the dealer which is why I'm checking. He said margins are pretty low which is why the discount over MSRP isn't more.

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What are people being quoted.
I got $2969 with tax ($2768 w/o tax) Plus $400 for vehicle programming. So $3,369 all in.
$2768 including which tips?

And is that as an accessory install at a dealership, or as part of port install?
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      09-14-2016, 03:51 PM   #102
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What are people being quoted.
I got $2969 with tax ($2768 w/o tax) Plus $400 for vehicle programming. So $3,369 all in.
Which finishers did you get?
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What are people hearing from dealers on availability for dealership install, not PIA? My dealer just told me backordered until July 2017??????? Wtf that can't be right. . . ..

Edit: talked to another local dealer's parts department and they said there are 86 in stock across the country and they can have it here in two days. I guess my dealer just doesn't want to make any dough today. . . . . .

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Where can you get a catback exhaust + tune setup for half the MPPSK cost?
Simple...buy a JB4 for $300 used, PE exhaust $800 used... there you go. Those items for sale now on this website. However my next purchase will be a 435i cpe and put on an Armytrix exhaust and call it a day. The sound difference is worlds apart. Add a DP and a flash tune and life is good. Money is just ...well, money. Spend it , live and he happy. Otherwise, what's the point in life.

Oh yeah, great information Jason! Thanks!
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      09-14-2016, 04:27 PM   #105
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Simple...buy a JB4 for $300 used, PE exhaust $800 used... there you go. Those items for sale now on this website. However my next purchase will be a 435i cpe and put on an Armytrix exhaust and call it a day. The sound difference is worlds apart. Add a DP and a flash tune and life is good. Money is just ...well, money. Spend it , live and he happy. Otherwise, what's the point in life.

Oh yeah, great information Jason! Thanks!
Uh, ok yeah the option exists to buy used mods for a basically brand new, $50K+ car, though it's not really my style. And actually I don't know how many used B58 JB4s you can find out there right now, it's still in beta. Plus I don't know exactly what you mean by PE, but I also doubt there are many used 340i exhausts floating around.

Enjoy the 435! my next purchase with be an MPPSK for my 340i, and I plan to be pretty happy.
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Uh, ok yeah the option exists to buy used mods for a basically brand new, $50K+ car, though it's not really my style. And actually I don't know how many used B58 JB4s you can find out there right now, it's still in beta. Plus I don't know exactly what you mean by PE, but I also doubt there are many used 340i exhausts floating around.

Enjoy the 435! my next purchase with be an MPPSK for my 340i, and I plan to be pretty happy.
I tried the mod scene but it's not my style either...just experimented. Rather have a M4 or M3 to be honest. Set up, power and sound is already there. For the money it's a good choice. Good luck with your 340i and the MPPSK. PE is Performance Exhaust BMW sells..sold... Enjoy nonetheless.
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      09-14-2016, 05:04 PM   #107
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Sounds like the xDrive compatible kit isn't available yet.

and my guy is quoting me $3318 for carbon fiber tips, BUT this doesn't include installation.

This is getting expensive.
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Is it a different kit and part number for xdrive cars?
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Is it a different kit and part number for xdrive cars?
Here's what he gave me:

That part number if for the 2 wheel drive version.
$2,810 - All Wheel Drive version has P/N 11-12-2-444-531
$256 - Chrome tips P/N 18-30-2-354-364
$508 – Tailpipe end cover P/N 18-30-2-354-364

Says after all is said and done, it will be close to $4,000. That seems steep for this upgrade.
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Here's what he gave me:

That part number if for the 2 wheel drive version.
$2,810 - All Wheel Drive version has P/N 11-12-2-444-531
$256 - Chrome tips P/N 18-30-2-354-364
$508 – Tailpipe end cover P/N 18-30-2-354-364

Says after all is said and done, it will be close to $4,000. That seems steep for this upgrade.
Interesting, maybe my dealer was talking about the xDrive version when they said back-ordered until July '17. I hope not, but maybe.
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