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      01-15-2019, 01:38 PM   #23
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Other than the steering wheel, the Supra interior looks far better to me than the Z4. I dont' even really like the new M Sport steering wheel but that Supra wheel looks way too bulky. The Z4 doesn't look very sporty and seems disjointed. The Supra looks far more focused and has more of the minimalist Japanese design.

It seems like all Toyota did was design the body parts and tuned the suspension on this car. That's definitely less involvement than was originally promised.
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Yea I didn't realize that they were developed together and will be built in the same plant...kinda wish there were more differences between the two.

I know vehicles are globally sourced at this point but German parts blatantly in a Japanese car just doesn't roll of the tongue right.
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Of course. I never expected Toyota to collaborate with BMW. Although the Supra already has so much hype toward it, BMW has to be able to tame it.
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Other than the steering wheel, the Supra interior looks far better to me than the Z4. I dont' even really like the new M Sport steering wheel but that Supra wheel looks way too bulky. The Z4 doesn't look very sporty and seems disjointed. The Supra looks far more focused and has more of the minimalist Japanese design.

It seems like all Toyota did was design the body parts and tuned the suspension on this car. That's definitely less involvement than was originally promised.
The Supra steering wheel looks like F30 sportline wheel with m sport air bag.
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F30 Console, G20 steering wheel, Toyota suspension and tune, bmw engine. The TRD version will probably regain the lost power to differentiate between it and the Z4. This however looks far better than any Z4 I recall. Inside and out. Excited about it, BMW tuners should have no problem getting into this since it's basically a B58, just expecting Toyota to maybe use a different lock for the Ecu that may take some time to break, but I'm just surmising. Aftermarket support manufacturers are probably already salivating at their profit margins here. Expect a BMW like tax for BMW parts and mods that go on a Toyota
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This car has more in common with an F30 interior than the Z4. Literally right out the BMW surplus parts bin. Makes sense as the G20 is now in production good way to dispose of leftover parts in inventory that won't be needed as replacement parts for existing F30 for awhile.
All I see is maybe the steering wheel controls from older generation BMWs. Everything else looks fairly unique to Toyota or currently used parts. Not "leftover" parts.

Toyota makes cars with interiors FAR better than what we have in our F30s in Japan and through their Lexus brand. And better than what will be in the G20. While this car is not a Lexus, Toyota has pretty high standards for their high-end cars which the Supra most definitely is.

What do you see that indicates that this car has more in common with the F30 other than the steering wheel controls and maybe HVAC controls? Nothing important, anyway.
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This car has more in common with an F30 interior than the Z4. Literally right out the BMW surplus parts bin. Makes sense as the G20 is now in production good way to dispose of leftover parts in inventory that won't be needed as replacement parts for existing F30 for awhile.
All I see is maybe the steering wheel controls from older generation BMWs. Everything else looks fairly unique to Toyota or currently used parts. Not "leftover" parts.

Toyota makes cars with interiors FAR better than what we have in our F30s in Japan and through their Lexus brand. And better than what will be in the G20. While this car is not a Lexus, Toyota has pretty high standards for their high-end cars which the Supra most definitely is.

What do you see that indicates that this car has more in common with the F30 other than the steering wheel controls?
Take a look at the F30 interior it is a dead ringer. The I drive is 100% BMW. I think of the LC500 as high end this is much less high end and more tuner car.
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This car has more in common with an F30 interior than the Z4. Literally right out the BMW surplus parts bin. Makes sense as the G20 is now in production good way to dispose of leftover parts in inventory that won't be needed as replacement parts for existing F30 for awhile.
All I see is maybe the steering wheel controls from older generation BMWs. Everything else looks fairly unique to Toyota or currently used parts. Not "leftover" parts.

Toyota makes cars with interiors FAR better than what we have in our F30s in Japan and through their Lexus brand. And better than what will be in the G20. While this car is not a Lexus, Toyota has pretty high standards for their high-end cars which the Supra most definitely is.

What do you see that indicates that this car has more in common with the F30 other than the steering wheel controls?
Take a look at the F30 interior it is a dead ringer. The I drive is 100% BMW. I think of the LC500 as high end this is much less high end and more tuner car.
Steering wheel controls are carryover from the F30 MSport steering wheel also.
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I except we will see more collaboration between car companies over time. They do it with sneakers, why not cars?
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I except we will see more collaboration between car companies over time. They do it with sneakers, why not cars?
Maybe collaboration with Tesla make a rebranded Lexus LFA based on the new roadster
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Seriously...everything on this Supra look like a BMW catalog. I just want to know how will the Toyota Supra purist will take say about this car.😂
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I thought I read somewhere that the deal was BMW will share engine/tranny and whatnot and Toyota will share some of their hybrid technology. Now this is vaguely in my memory so I have no sources for this...
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I thought I read somewhere that the deal was BMW will share engine/tranny and whatnot and Toyota will share some of their hybrid technology. Now this is vaguely in my memory so I have no sources for this...
BMW has hybrids already. It does seem like their front drive platform is derived from Toyota in the X1,X2 and 2 series GC as well as Chinese 1 series. The transmissions are built by the same OEM as Toyota.
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BMW has hybrids already. It does seem like their front drive platform is derived from Toyota in the X1,X2 and 2 series GC as well as Chinese 1 series. The transmissions are built by the same OEM as Toyota.
I know they have plug in hybrid in format of e models, but I was under the impression that the Prius hybrid systems were just better in managing the switch to improve gas mileage. I know e models are plug ins and a little different, but still. I am super bummed about the X2 being FWD though...
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BMW has hybrids already. It does seem like their front drive platform is derived from Toyota in the X1,X2 and 2 series GC as well as Chinese 1 series. The transmissions are built by the same OEM as Toyota.
I know they have plug in hybrid in format of e models, but I was under the impression that the Prius hybrid systems were just better in managing the switch to improve gas mileage. I know e models are plug ins and a little different, but still. I am super bummed about the X2 being FWD though...
You can get it with x drive but I guess it's front wheel drive biased though may not matter as much in a suv. BMW did tune the suspension and handling as well as tires to be more BMW like. I drove an X1 loaner and it is quick and nimble especially for an SUV. Also the engine is a B46 so still a BMW turbo engine with lots of low end torque.
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Seriously...everything on this Supra look like a BMW catalog. I just want to know how will the Toyota Supra purist will take say about this car.😂
Oh I can already tell you that they will hate it lol. As much as we love BMW turbo engines, I highly doubt the B58 will have the tuning potential of the 2JZ (to be fair, not many engines do); likewise, a supra purist will also hate the the steering feel and the fact that its now a 2 seater instead of 4 and lastly ... no manual. I also suspect the tuning potential (at least initially) may be hindered with locked ECU (just guessing though). Not to mention that most toyota fans have a negative connotation of BMW reliability (regardless of how true it is).

Not trying to be a hater (I'm not even a huge Supra guy ... I actually prefer Skylines lol), I wish they had called this car something different. I actually think its going to be a pretty awesome car and would love to test drive one. I just think associating the "Supra" name with it is a mistake.
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It is a bit strange, but monumental for both car companies. I'm sure Toyota is thrilled to collab with bmw. One major difference is the Supra is a 2 seater. The z4 has "backseats".
No "backseats" for the Z4. You can build an i4 on BMWUSA.com now.
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Take a look at the F30 interior it is a dead ringer. The I drive is 100% BMW. I think of the LC500 as high end this is much less high end and more tuner car.
It is not a dead ringer. On closer inspection, even the HVAC and radio controls are unique parts. They are also much more well integrated into the dash than on the F30. The vent design continuing into the dash is also looks very good, IMO. Exactly what is a dead ringer to the F30? The dashboards look nothing alike. The vents are completely different, the gauge cluster is completely different, the center console is completely different, the switches and buttons are all similar to BMW's newer cars as are the door pulls and lock switches. The infotainment screen looks to have a unique shape for the Supra and the steering wheel looks nothing like an F30 steering wheel except for the control buttons.

Can you please describe specifically what you are talking about? Dead ringer? The F30 interior looks so outdated now. This interior looks modern and clean.


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Take a look at the F30 interior it is a dead ringer. The I drive is 100% BMW. I think of the LC500 as high end this is much less high end and more tuner car.
It is not a dead ringer. On closer inspection, even the HVAC and radio controls are unique parts. They are also much more well integrated into the dash than on the F30. The vent design continuing into the dash is also looks very good, IMO. Exactly what is a dead ringer to the F30? The dashboards look nothing alike. The vents are completely different, the gauge cluster is completely different, the center console is completely different, the switches and buttons are all similar to BMW's newer cars as are the door pulls and lock switches. The infotainment screen looks to have a unique shape for the Supra and the steering wheel looks nothing like an F30 steering wheel except for the control buttons.

Can you please describe specifically what you are talking about? Dead ringer? The F30 interior looks so outdated now. This interior looks modern and clean.


The buttons on the steering wheel are exactly the same. As are the steering wheels themselves.
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The buttons on the steering wheel are exactly the same. As are the steering wheels themselves.
You said the Supra is a "dead ringer" for the F30 and that BMW was using "leftover" parts for the Supra. Literally the only part that might be the same are the steering wheel control buttons. The steering wheel clearly has a more sculpted shape. The lower trim goes into the wheel on the Supra while the old F30 wheel goes up to meet the trim. The wheel is definitely a different part, no question.

Again, can you show where the Supra is using "leftover" BMW parts and how it's a dead ringer?
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