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      01-15-2019, 04:06 PM   #1
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Anyone else see these MP stage 2 engine & tranny tune numbers on stock car? WOW!!

I follow MP on IG and just came across this from earlier today...
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I got stoked. Then I saw it was uncorrected.
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So it’s safe to run the stage 2 flash on a stock downpipe? No issue with too much back pressure? I have the less restrictive MPPSK exhaust so maybe that would help in my case?
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Is there any room for more power with meth or no?
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Wow, that's insane. I want to get this but having to throw in E85 all the time is a real pain. Is there a Stage 2 tune that can be safely run with just 91 octane?

Also, this car must be a monster to drive on the street! Heck, even with my stock MPPSK, I can get significant wheelspin shifting into 2nd under WOT. This thing must lay rubber for days lol
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Is there any room for more power with meth or no?
Of course meth is just another power adder I’m expecting the B58 to be close to or over 500whp with meth, bolt ons, and more E85.
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Maybe it's just me, but these stage packages make no sense if all of them can be run on a stock car. It would eliminate a lot of confusion and question if they consolidated everything.
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Maybe it's just me, but these stage packages make no sense if all of them can be run on a stock car. It would eliminate a lot of confusion and question if they consolidated everything.
Just because you can doesnt mean you should. Like the original post said you have adequate fueling for Stage 2 & 3 which is why the E85 is added. In another thread they are recommending that you be FBO or at least have a downpipe
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Maybe it's just me, but these stage packages make no sense if all of them can be run on a stock car. It would eliminate a lot of confusion and question if they consolidated everything.
Well the way I see it.

Engine Tune | Trans Tune
Stage 1 - 91 octane minimum | Stock Trans Flash
Stage 2 - 93 octane minimum | Stock Trans Flash OR Stage 1 Trans Flash
Stage 3 - 93 octane minimum | Stage 1 Trans Flash OR Stage 2 Trans Flash

I don't think there are huge benefits of a trans flash with Stage 1 engine flash as gains aren't as aggressive.

Stage 2 engine flash definitely benefits from a Trans flash but not required.

Stage 3 needs a trans flash.

I think that clarifies it...
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Just because you can doesnt mean you should. Like the original post said you have adequate fueling for Stage 2 & 3 which is why the E85 is added. In another thread they are recommending that you be FBO or at least have a downpipe
So if you shouldn't, then why are they saying it's ok? What's the point of having multiple stages that can be run on a stock car? Why publish an uncorrected dyno graph with a car running compensation measures for a tune that isn't ideal for it's setup?

Every other platform I have experience with has a stock tune, a downpipe/bolt on tune, and then tunes for upgraded turbos. I understand having different grades for different fuels but now you have a bunch of people asking how high of a "stage" can they run with random combinations of parts (or little to none). It doesn't make sense to even present it as an option if it's not safe.

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Well the way I see it.

Engine Tune | Trans Tune
Stage 1 - 91 octane minimum | Stock Trans Flash
Stage 2 - 93 octane minimum | Stock Trans Flash OR Stage 1 Trans Flash
Stage 3 - 93 octane minimum | Stage 1 Trans Flash OR Stage 2 Trans Flash

I don't think there are huge benefits of a trans flash with Stage 1 engine flash as gains aren't as aggressive.

Stage 2 engine flash definitely benefits from a Trans flash but not required.

Stage 3 needs a trans flash.

I think that clarifies it...
Not really. I mean i understand a need for both 91/93 tunes, but the trans flash shouldn't have anything to do with the tune. Especially when a lot of people, like me, can't flash our transmissions. And a lot of people just want a transflash to wake up the driving experience without an engine tune.
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Not really. I mean i understand a need for both 91/93 tunes, but the trans flash shouldn't have anything to do with the tune. Especially when a lot of people, like me, can't flash our transmissions. And a lot of people just want a transflash to wake up the driving experience without an engine tune.
But the trans is the limiting factor when it comes to hitting higher torque numbers (torque reductions) and shift speed. No point in hitting huge boost levels or high torque targets with the ECU when your trans is going to shut you down anyway. They need to play nice together. Not sure how else to explain.
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Wonder what a catless downpipe and 93 with a couple gallons e85 would make. Probably break 450!
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But the trans is the limiting factor when it comes to hitting higher torque numbers (torque reductions) and shift speed. No point in hitting huge boost levels or high torque targets with the ECU when your trans is going to shut you down anyway. They need to play nice together. Not sure how else to explain.
I have a manual transmission. It has no bearings on my decision.

And if that is the case, then they should set clear requirements for each stage. That's not too much to ask. All of the overlap makes no sense.

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yup just you....
If you say so. But every other major tuner says otherwise. How many maps does JB4 have for a stock engine with the same fueling? Cobb? BM3? I could reference tuners on other platforms too.
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If you say so. But every other major tuner says otherwise. How many maps does JB4 have for a stock engine with the same fueling? Cobb? BM3? I could reference tuners on other platforms too.
JB4 Map 1 and Map 2 can use 91 octane. Map 2 and Map 3 can use 93 octane
But don't forget Map 6 can be used for custom tuning so you can use that also with either 91 or 93... and if you have bolt ons then you can probably use either Map 3 or Map 5, so all this above is quite clear I'm sure...

How about just calling Alex and asking instead of continuing to waste time on this?
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If you say so. But every other major tuner says otherwise. How many maps does JB4 have for a stock engine with the same fueling? Cobb? BM3? I could reference tuners on other platforms too.
you referencing how other tuners market their products has nothing to do with your admitted confusion over what MP is doing - so again yes you seem to be the only one that doesn't get it -
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How about just calling Alex and asking instead of continuing to waste time on this?
yes please - that is a great suggestion. Kern417, would you kindly start your own thread on the knowledge you are seeking relative to MP's marketing and offerings....I'd appreciate getting back on topic - thanks
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Yes, let's keep this thread on track. Alex, can you please throw a catless DP on this car and re-dyno?
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I'm off topic? First few posts pretty much solved the mystery. Posts 5, 6, and 7 are asking what's needed for various maps. 3 posts in a row of unsure potential customers. And it's the same sort of questions in all of their threads. I mean now it's not even stage 1 and 2, they're advertising stage 2+? But you guys got it.
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okay guys - like I posted in my other thread off to MP tomorrow to see what the next stage and trans flash will get me - will post results soon / may have another forum member joining me / anyhoo - good times ahead
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