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This could allow for the M3 to remain the hardcore race ready car and the M4 would be the refined luxury version with the same engine and suspension. Maybe even a horse power bump. BMW knows how important M3 is and how much income that cars name alone brings. I just don't buy them going to M4. Maybe it'll be the M sedan, M coupe, and M convertible only. But if there will be a 4 series there will be an M4. That's just ///Marketing
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I don't know of a single large four-seat hard-top GT convertible on the market. There does not seem to be any demand yet. BMW is simply recognizing this fact in choosing to offer the 6 series with a soft top for the time being. If Mercedes goes to a hard top with the next E class cabriolet, then BMW might switch with their next generation 6 too. But maybe not. |
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The M3 badge would not go away - they would just be opting to limit it to a sedan going forward. The original two-door E30 was called a sedan by BMW so historical significance would actually be restored.
The M4 will be a new badge for BMW, and will include not just the coupe and convertible but the Gran Coupe as well. Even with the return of the M6 in the last generation, the M5 was still commonly thought of as vehicle that many M3 owners would aspire to own. The number of doors doesn't seem to be a deterent to that. So I am a bit surprised by how many are so polarized by the door-count of an M3. It will have four of them just like the M5 that so many would also love to drive. Furthermore, I am surprised by how offended some people are by a new badge to aspire to in between the M3 and M5. And with the Gran Coupes, you can now move up to a coupe without losing the convenience of easy rear-seat access. Once all the products show up and the lineup is complete, people will wonder what the fuss was all about, and realize how insane it would be if BMW insisted on stuffing 6 or more different body styles into one model designation. Last edited by mkoesel; 04-11-2012 at 10:10 AM.. |
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Four seat convertibles should have soft tops. Hard stop.
Even MB knows this and the CLK and the newer E cabriolet have soft tops. Porsche sort of cheats on the 991 with hard horizontal surfaces, but cloth over the whole thing and no hard structure on the c-pillars. Plus calling a 911 a four seater is sort of cheating. The good news is that the 2er and 6er should remain soft tops, so folks that want a folding hard top can have it in the 3er and those that don't can have it with the other two. It's nice to have choices, and I suppose BMW is one of the few offering both formats. |
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Some would argue that roadsters should first and foremost be cloth so as to remain "pure", while four-seat convertibles, already being a compromise to begin with, are more suited for the additional weight of the hard top.
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I think the 6 as a four seat convertible is just too big a car for a folding hard top to work with. It would most likely increase the weight of an already heavy car and consume additional trunk space when stowed compared to the soft top.
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The SL is a two seat roadster compared to a four seat convertible that is the 6. What is completely unsafe about a soft top though? I'll grant you that it is not as secure as a hard top when trying to prevent someone from breaking into your car. If you are talking about roll over protection, a folding hard top won't help you much more either because it is not intended to be a structural component of the car. Most modern roadsters and convertibles have either fixed or pop-up roll hoops to protect occupants in the case of a rollover anyway.
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there's nothing practical, from an engineering standpoint, about convertibles so there is no need to build a car that has some sort of functional hardtop. As if it suddenly becomes a fixed-roof coupe when the top is up.
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I agree with you on the 'single open top car in lineup'. S2000 was the same way as well. |
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Convertibles with folding hardtops invariably compromise one way or another: 1) They start with a small cabin space and shallow windows above the doorline (Mercedes SLK, BMW Z4, etc.) 2) They take an existing coupe roofline and pinch/shorten the length of the rear window slope (example: 3 Series) to form an easy break point. 3) They raise the trunk to make more room for the folded roof (Lexus IS, Infiniti G) The Lexus IS convertible looks terrible for this reason and the Infiniti G isn't much better. BMW at least made the right compromise with the 3 Series convertible. Folding hard tops are here to stay because they sell to people who want the best (in their eyes) of both worlds. Maybe someone will find an elegant way of folding a long coupe roofline into more pieces without looking terrible, but until that time, the 6 Series and A5 will have to stay soft top. |
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(And yes, I do realize that there are those out there that think the same of the E93 too. ) I think it is only a matter of time for someone to figure out how to make a large greenhouse fold and stow elegantly. It may be that we will wait for cheaper CRFP production and construction to get it. I expect one could make a very lightweight and compact folding hard top using mostly carbon fiber. But even with advances in tech it will cost a pretty penny. Maybe it will show up on a Bentley GTC or something - though that is a very large passenger cabin to cover up. |
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That was the exact year and model. 2001 slk 320. Fun car to drive, but boy was it cramped in that thing. Its been about 8 years since I've seen it or her.
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Thanks for the info, and you are correct. I don't really follow Mercedes, so the SL and SLK are the only two convertibles I thought about, and they are both hard top. I didn't know there was an E class convertible. I was just looking at it from a cost/class perspective I guess. The 3 Series is a hard top and the 6 Series is a soft top, just seems odd to me the more expensive of the two is the soft top. Just something about say, a white car with a tan top ruins it for me, I just prefer the more seamless look of a hard top. My wife also had a couple of bad experiences with people slashing her soft top so we're probably just prejudiced against them now :-) |
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