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787 HUD main function. Dual head-up displays. A HUD projects an image onto a glass combiner mounted in front of the pilots’ eyes. It displays flight information so pilots can look outside the flight deck, scanning for traffic or flying an approach, and simultaneously view primary flight instruments.The dual HUDs enhance safety in all phases of flight, in both good or poor visibility. HUDs also enable lower visibility takeoff minimums by integrating with the navigation radios and flight management system to provide low visibility takeoff runway centerline guidance. The dual HUDs allow the first officer to be proficient in HUD use when transitioning to captain. Pilot did not look down once flying his approach. He would be looking up & down without the HUD. BMW HUD main functional difference. When driving unlike flying you are always looking outside the car scanning for traffic, staying on the road, obeying signals & signage. As for your 15cm 6" that has no meaning. In the 787 the HUD is in the pilots line of site & in my 440 its in my line of sight. The HUD in the car in my case is the primary navigation source. PS no issue with any glasses I wear when driving. Bottom line is you are talking to people who could have ordered the digital dash but desided it was not there yet in BMW's product. Would have bought AUDI's maybe next go round BMW might catch up with the state of the technology.
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Looking at a selling brochure for aviation HUD is one thing, looking at the actual certification and crew procedures for use - always a different story And you can easily verify that by looking for any aircraft that has HUD only and not a classic or as all modern ones do - Glass cockpit. You will not find any. The analog instruments are in the past (except for stadby instruments in some cases)
Take it from an aeronautical engineer done plenty of work on Cockpit Display Systems Where you have a point however in your 787 example above (a state of the art aircraft!) is that the HUD there provide extensive flight data information that in a normal (no abnormal behavior or annunciation) scenario is sufficient for the pilot to make decisions, cross-checked by a second pilot. In a car: - You don't have a second pilot to cross-check - The information presented on the HUD of the BMW F3x is very, very limited forcing the driver to still check main cluster. Regarding the look of the analog vs the digital... I can't even understand how one could start comparing them... there are percieved decades inbetween. Looking at Ferrari is quite unreasonable - Ferrari's main business has never been and is not to drive the technology. Look at Merzedes, Audi and even crappy (excuse me) cars like the french brands, where you will struggle finding analog clusters any longer. And to be fair - I am not a digitalisation junky - I hate what Tesla have done and I cannot stand cars where the entire control is within a touch screen! I like physical knobs. But comparing a 1990 design to a beautiful state of the art display with multi-functional modes and additional features is.... rather strange. But I respect other people's opinion and choice. I was just wondering whether it is a concious decision for a brand new car to go with an old-school cluster.
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I’m also a watch aficionado. I own over a dozen mechanical (automatic or hand-wound) timepieces. Why? If all I cared about was accurate timekeeping, I should just own one quartz Casio digital, and move on with my life just changing batteries as needed. So there must be something else at play here. I’ll leave it to you to try to figure out what that might be. You curiously ignored my mention of Aston Martin. Up until 2017, if you bought one of the world’s most customizable premium cars, you got analog gauges. Period. There was no choice offered. So I don’t understand where you come from with this idea that analog is “dated” or a “1990 design”. The best designs are timeless, and what works, works. |
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Aircraft HUDs are generally based on the modern “glass cockpit” PFD (primary flight display) instrumentation layout. As an interface, the aircraft PFD is remarkably well-designed (in contrast to many other in-cockpit interfaces, actually). What’s notable here is that PFDs don’t just simulate the analog instruments that they replace by painting a bunch of round “steam gauge” faces on a digital display. Instead, they’re a revolutionary reimagining of the entire layout. They use the display technology to their advantage. BMW’s 6WB DKOMBI instrument cluster doesn’t do this. It paints a few analog gauges on a digital display and calls it a day. As we’ve seen, whether it does this well or not is subject to debate, but I don’t really consider it an inspired use of the technology. (I’m not really calling BMW out individually on this. Other automakers are just as guilty, and I suppose you’ve got to keep up with the Joneses.) There may be a great way to use an LCD panel as an automotive instrument cluster, but if there is, it wouldn’t merely be emulating traditional physical needles. |
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Just to clarify - I was not the one that opened the HUD chapter here. Just the opposite - as I mentioned before, to me the HUD is irrelevant for the analog vs digital instrument cluster discussion as it is offering nothing more than a small and limited supplement to the cluster (analog or digital)
How useful that supplement is - separate discussion. I have it, I like it, but I don't miss it when I drive my Audi which does not have one. I do however miss the digital cluster. It defines the entire interior with its presence. Similar to the PFD concept, a digital cluster does not just replicate an analog instrument. 6WB added functionality: - Mode-specific display of related information, presented in a suitable for the mode format and color scheme (a bit like a MFD (Multifunctional Display) in aviation ) - Display of range bug on the range scale depending on navigation target to indicate fuel required to reach destination - Manual speed limit bug and highlighting of "speed ticket speed" (speed delta over the speed limit) - ACC and Speed Limit related illustrations in color (easy for the eye, easy for the brain) - High contrast under all light conditions (thanks to LED display technology) and highlighting (enlarging) of current speed and RPMs for faster (subconscious) recognition - etc. ...But yes, I do wish as well it was more customizable... ref Audi Virtual Cockpit. Is it worth the price? Judgement call. How much should a fully digital, high integrity digital cluster cost if a small supplemental speed and speed limit projector costs 1000 euros (German market price)? @JamesWWIII - answer understood If you were alone on this planet with your taste or preference - you'd be unique... But no one really is That does not really prove anything though. I know plenty of conservative people and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I am not being sarcastic. Aston Martin, really? One of the most conservative British cars? When was any British car pushing technology... ever? Aston Martin maintains a classic car image... to the extent possible to retain a certain customer base balance. Even the most conservative German manufacturer Merzedes (a.k.a. "grapndpa's car" in Germany) finally figured out that the customer base of the "good old days" is slowly vanishing and moved straight to a complete "glass-cockpit". (Too much for me actually)
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Try real polarized sunglasses The HUD disappears to 95%. It becomes practically invisible unless you tilt your head... I did try that but others look at me as if I have a neck problem
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If it ain't broke don't fix it, all my glasses, clear, sun & changeable work fine with the car.
If BMW has a fully useful digital dash in the next generation 4 series would buy it next time. Right now it lacks oil pressure, water temperature & an ammeter. More then likely it will be a standard item, complete or incomplete want it or not. I get more engine related info out of my 1965 replica gauges in one of my other cars then BMW provides with its high tech digital dash system I would add RPM & gear selected to the current HUD & be very happy with it despite what they do with the dash.
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Problem is, without the indications above it forces one to use the cluster as well, which is contra-productive and negates any safety advantage.
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I would even just go with a settable shift light like I have on my JB4 equipped cars. Would like the RPM or shift light features for driving in manual or a traffic light Grand Prix. Clock is a non runner for me, again infrequent usage makes looking down not a issue. https://youtu.be/hYLZ2ehwy-A Expect the high end series that have these features will filter down to 3/4 hopefully in the next generation
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Seriously you sound like a spoiled poser kid with a beat-up old 5 series shitting on F30, M3/4, & M5 owners... priceless. Go buy an M5 already and post it up so we can not give a fk because it doesn't matter the car is pretty if a turd is in the driver's seat.
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Seriously though who's this guy coming in just raining on everyone's parade? You have a beautiful new car, you're enjoying it as you should because we all work hard to make a living, and in comes Mr Holier-than-thou with his M5 dreams taking a dump in the middle of a thread. It's unnecessary and I'm calling him out on it.
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Nice wheels! Those weren't available on the 2018 440i convertible. The Msport convertible with Xdrive only had one wheel choice for 18".
I definitely would have ordered those if they were an option. Also I really like the black grill with the gray metallic paint. I added some black and white roundels for the steering wheel, front and back emblems and wheels, as suggested by another OP in this forum. I think mine were ordered from Canada?
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