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      07-01-2018, 01:45 PM   #23
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Exactly, you've completely forgotten what you're actually so belligerent about.

Let me guess, the meds have made you forget?
No, I'm reminded of the EU's failings in the daily news
But forgotten how we currently benefit, or how what we supposedly gain instead actually fails to replace that.

At least I know you're kidding yourself.
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But forgotten how we currently benefit, or how what we supposedly gain instead actually fails to replace that.

At least I know you're kidding yourself.
Indeed.

I'm imagining the growing megalomania in Brussels as the EU marches towards monetary and fiscal union. And the further decentralisation of power from member states.
The migrant crisis that Merkel plunged the EU into and now threatens to bring down her own weak government.
The 25% youth unemployment in countries such as Greece, Spain and Portugal.
The teetering banking system in Italy that lurches from crisis to crisis due to a grossly negligent Italian government in cohoots with the EU, failing to adequately capitalise them.
The wobbling crown of German banks, Deutsche Bank, that last year had to make a €10 billion cash call on the market due to inadequate capital.
The EU taking legal action against countries such as Poland and Hungary as they refuse to be told by the bureaucrats in Brussels to take migrants.

It goes on and on and I don't really care as we're leaving the shrinking EU shortly
They're almost entirely common currency issues which we've avoided. The two speed model of common market for everyone but closer union for the core countries would have suited countries.

We were doing just fine how we were. All the best bits and none of the worst bits.

So we will have control, but amidst chaos, where the interesting theoretical ideas meet the governmental incompetence.
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Remind me Lobb, what's the benefits of Brexit?
There are none - unless you live in some 1950's timewarp and think that's where we're heading back to.
Even the most retarded of my Leave acquaintances admits it's a fuckfest, and that it's going to get a lot worse. As he conceded the other evening, "And to make matters worse, we are leaving this to politicians to implement - which is one thing we'd all overlooked". And this is coming from a [very] senior civil servant.
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Remind me Lobb, what's the benefits of Brexit?
There are none - unless you live in some 1950's timewarp and think that's where we're heading back to.
Even the most retarded of my Leave acquaintances admits it's a fuckfest, and that it's going to get a lot worse. As he conceded the other evening, "And to make matters worse, we are leaving this to politicians to implement - which is one thing we'd all overlooked". And this is coming from a [very] senior civil servant.
God help us
Indeed. I'm sure Lobb knows all this hence why he still hasn't mentioned one. Not even a theoretical one.

Just reeling off a load of things you dislike about something doesn't argue that a certain alternative is better.

And hence why the last retort of an leaver is to be smug about having won... you can only laugh at the irony.
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There are none - unless you live in some 1950's timewarp and think that's where we're heading back to.
Even the most retarded of my Leave acquaintances admits it's a fuckfest, and that it's going to get a lot worse. As he conceded the other evening, "And to make matters worse, we are leaving this to politicians to implement - which is one thing we'd all overlooked". And this is coming from a [very] senior civil servant.
God help us
So presumably you'll be moving to another EU country post haste, as you wouldn't want to head back to the 1950s in the UK. Or is it all mouth and no action?
Its you that's off to Spain isn't it?
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They're almost entirely common currency issues which we've avoided. The two speed model of common market for everyone but closer union for the core countries would have suited countries.

We were doing just fine how we were. All the best bits and none of the worst bits.

So we will have control, but amidst chaos, where the interesting theoretical ideas meet the governmental incompetence.
Bullshit Terry.

How is a migrant crisis a "common currency" issue?

How is the weakness of many of the EU nation state banks a "common currency issue?

The only outcome of a "common currency" issue is a federal EU where taxation and spending decisions are made by Brussels beaurocrats.

Anyroad up. You've got just over eight months to plan your exit from the UK.
The migrant crisis isn't about the EU, it's a global issue. The EU is struggling to handle it but the whole world is.

My exit is planned, if required. Thankfully I've got international opportunities open to me. Not everyone is so lucky, and in yet further irony, the folks who predominantly voted to leave will be the least likely to do the same.

But they'll be in control, so that's ok.
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There are none - unless you live in some 1950's timewarp and think that's where we're heading back to.
Even the most retarded of my Leave acquaintances admits it's a fuckfest, and that it's going to get a lot worse. As he conceded the other evening, "And to make matters worse, we are leaving this to politicians to implement - which is one thing we'd all overlooked". And this is coming from a [very] senior civil servant.
God help us
So presumably you'll be moving to another EU country post haste, as you wouldn't want to head back to the 1950s in the UK. Or is it all mouth and no action?
An absurd post, even by your standards, Lobb
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I'm realising we are fucked, no matter whether we are in or out, if that representative of normal folk in this country.
You should try doing jury service if you think that vid is bad - I've done it twice and it was illuminating - as in
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This is a shit thread, it’s the only one where the likes of LobB show their true colours and then are incapable of holding a decent discussion.

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An absurd post, even by your standards, Lobb
He’s thick as a jam butty, the weirdest thing is he makes up an internet persona that he’s insane.

Very strange.
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The migrant crisis isn't about the EU, it's a global issue. The EU is struggling to handle it but the whole world is.

My exit is planned, if required. Thankfully I've got international opportunities open to me. Not everyone is so lucky, and in yet further irony, the folks who predominantly voted to leave will be the least likely to do the same.

But they'll be in control, so that's ok.
What rubbish!

Does Japan have a migrant problem? No.

Australia? No.

India? No.

Does Russia have a migrant problem? Nope.

Brazil? None.

China? No problems with unwanted migration.

Singapore? None.

Thailand. Nope.

Korea. Not here.

Qatar? Zero migration problems.


So to say that migration is a 'global issue' is a lazy comment at best
I don't think we are talking the same migrant issue. I actually don't have any issues with migration. European countries have one due to proximity the Africa and the Middle East, half of which has been caused by our interventions and meddling over the years.

Our biggest migration issue may turn out to be a lack of it to us, so no more hard working foreigners to pay our taxes and do the shitty jobs the Brits don't want to do, or prop up the NHS because we are too stupid to train enough doctors and nurses, or look after the ones we have properly.

But we digress, you came up with all that nonsense to distract that you still haven't been able to come up with any benefits of leaving as yet.
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This is a shit thread, it’s the only one where the likes of LobB show their true colours and then are incapable of holding a decent discussion.

One trick thick ponies.
To be honest pretty much all Brexit threads have degenerated into mud-slinging and/or name calling so this one's not really any different in that respect. Seems to be a subject which brings out the worst in people with any attempt to have a sensible discussion about the issues seemingly doomed to failure....
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This is a shit thread, it’s the only one where the likes of LobB show their true colours and then are incapable of holding a decent discussion.

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To be honest pretty much all Brexit threads have degenerated into mud-slinging and/or name calling so this one's not really any different in that respect. Seems to be a subject which brings out the worst in people with any attempt to have a sensible discussion about the issues seemingly doomed to failure....
It's hard to have a rational discussion on what is clearly a non-rational debate for many people, the leavers especially I'm afraid.

I spent a day trying to get a simple answer from Nick.
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To be honest pretty much all Brexit threads have degenerated into mud-slinging and/or name calling so this one's not really any different in that respect. Seems to be a subject which brings out the worst in people with any attempt to have a sensible discussion about the issues seemingly doomed to failure....
A bit like the current Cabinet then!!?
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To be honest pretty much all Brexit threads have degenerated into mud-slinging and/or name calling so this one's not really any different in that respect. Seems to be a subject which brings out the worst in people with any attempt to have a sensible discussion about the issues seemingly doomed to failure....
A bit like the current Cabinet then!!?
A bit like Parliament and indeed the UK population as a whole; as the referendum result showed, we're split pretty much down the middle on this with some very strong views on both sides!
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It's hard to have a rational discussion on what is clearly a non-rational debate for many people, the leavers especially I'm afraid.

I spent a day trying to get a simple answer from Nick.
I've come to the conclusion that chatting with a hard line Brexiteer is like trying to have a discussion a religious person about god. They're happy to believe in something against all logic and factual evidence. It doesn't matter what you say, it won't change their belief/faith (which is all brexit is based on) and it'll just wind you up.
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It's hard to have a rational discussion on what is clearly a non-rational debate for many people, the leavers especially I'm afraid.

I spent a day trying to get a simple answer from Nick.
His position doesn't stand up to even gentle scrutiny, which is why he keeps reverting to the leaving date, without understanding just how little actually changes - the transition period essentially mirrors EU membership in all but name. I hope all Leavers are so easily satisfied!
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I've come to the conclusion that chatting with a hard line Brexiteer is like trying to have a discussion a religious person about god. They're happy to believe in something against all logic and factual evidence. It doesn't matter what you say, it won't change their belief/faith (which is all brexit is based on) and it'll just wind you up.
Indeed.

Best sit back and relax knowing that in eight months time we leave the EU.
Or we don't. I'll wait until it actually happens before believing it. However, I've made arrangements for both outcomes.
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I don't think we are talking the same migrant issue. I actually don't have any issues with migration. European countries have one due to proximity the Africa and the Middle East, half of which has been caused by our interventions and meddling over the years.

Our biggest migration issue may turn out to be a lack of it to us, so no more hard working foreigners to pay our taxes and do the shitty jobs the Brits don't want to do, or prop up the NHS because we are too stupid to train enough doctors and nurses, or look after the ones we have properly.

But we digress, you came up with all that nonsense to distract that you still haven't been able to come up with any benefits of leaving as yet.
Jesus Tel!

You're getting confused by your own posts now. You said migration is a world wide problem. I illustrated above why it's not. You were wrong. Don't worry about it!

To your latter question, I refer you to my previous reply. The debate was two years ago. Your side lost.
As said, you refer to a debate 2 years ago because you've forgotten what you're even arguing about. QED.
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I don't agree. Certainly from my point of view it's all done in the best possible taste. Nothing that reads like I'm insulting someone should take it personally
My observation wasn't actually aimed at you but read through most Brexit threads and you'll find references to people being thick, racist, etc.
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Glad we agree you were wrong immigration.

As I have posted a number of times above, if you're interested in the pro Brexit debate, Google it from a couple of years ago. I can find no value for me in revisiting a debate that "out" has already won.
No, immigration is a red herring. The migrant crisis would be a crisis irrespective of the EU. So forget about it. It doesn't affect us like it does the Mediterranean countries, whether we are in the EU or out of it. It's nothing to do with what benefits of Brexit that you think there are.

I'm not asking what they were two years ago, I am asking you to explain the benefits as you see them now. The world has moved on since then, we are on the precipice of a global trade war, and we are about to leave the trading bloc we do most business with.

And don't tell me what you hate about the EU, just simply explain how we are going to better.

Feel free to break it down in to the short (next 3 years), medium (3-10 years) and the long term (10+ years), and I will accept the longer the horizon the more speculative it will be.

The result of the vote is not in question, the sense of it is, given what's transpired since 2 years ago.
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Isn't the EU one of the slowest growing economies in the world today? So opening up our global trade route Is certainly an improvement from being restricted as we are today!
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