Returning Car To Trader

Bmwguy82 · 10-21-2020, 11:07 AM

UPDATE:

Trader told me to take it to another BMW Independent for a second opinion. Booked in for early next week.

Also was offered money to get my front end of the car painted.. Just need to get quotes!

I've been really nice to the trader. We had a little dispute at the beginning but he is trying to help

Anyone had the vibrating issue before? The whirling/vibrating noise goes away when i turn the steering but comes back when i let go. The noise seems to be coming from the left side of the engine.

NISFAN · 10-21-2020, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmwguy82

UPDATE:

Trader told me to take it to another BMW Independent for a second opinion. Booked in for early next week.

Also was offered money to get my front end of the car painted.. Just need to get quotes!

I've been really nice to the trader. We had a little dispute at the beginning but he is trying to help

Anyone had the vibrating issue before? The whirling/vibrating noise goes away when i turn the steering but comes back when i let go. The noise seems to be coming from the left side of the engine.

Good news that you managed to engage on a friendly level. Let's hope you get the resolution you want.

No idea on the vibrating. That doesn't sound good. Can you get a video of it?

330XDave · 10-21-2020, 11:18 AM

Sounds like a decent dealer. Hopefully you'll come to a compromise on any work that needs doing.

MY340i · 10-21-2020, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bmwguy82

UPDATE:

Trader told me to take it to another BMW Independent for a second opinion. Booked in for early next week.

Also was offered money to get my front end of the car painted.. Just need to get quotes!

I've been really nice to the trader. We had a little dispute at the beginning but he is trying to help

Anyone had the vibrating issue before? The whirling/vibrating noise goes away when i turn the steering but comes back when i let go. The noise seems to be coming from the left side of the engine.

Verbally or by email?

vxtyrant · 10-21-2020, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bmwguy82

UPDATE:

Trader told me to take it to another BMW Independent for a second opinion. Booked in for early next week.

Also was offered money to get my front end of the car painted.. Just need to get quotes!

I've been really nice to the trader. We had a little dispute at the beginning but he is trying to help

Anyone had the vibrating issue before? The whirling/vibrating noise goes away when i turn the steering but comes back when i let go. The noise seems to be coming from the left side of the engine.

Best to keep him onside as much as possible as it’s in your interest to do so. Hope it gets sorted mate

Bmwguy82 · 10-21-2020, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NISFAN

Good news that you managed to engage on a friendly level. Let's hope you get the resolution you want.

No idea on the vibrating. That doesn't sound good. Can you get a video of it?

Il try get a video tomorrow

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Originally Posted by Barsj111

Verbally or by email?

Verbally

I will keep you guys updated. Hope all this gets resolved!

Bmwguy82 · 10-21-2020, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NISFAN

Good news that you managed to engage on a friendly level. Let's hope you get the resolution you want.

No idea on the vibrating. That doesn't sound good. Can you get a video of it?

I've uploaded it on OneDrive. The volume is a little low but you should be able to tell.

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Ai87B0mAORrKxy0K...-dWOy?e=caCIV5

Sasquartch · 10-22-2020, 03:29 AM

It's difficult to be sure from that video but it sounds like it's just a bit more load on the engine when the steering wheel is turned which would be normal.

I'm assuming it's an electric rack so more load on the steering would pull more current from the alternator. If the alternator drive belt and / or tensioners were worn then that might explain it

You'd really need to have your head under the bonnet listening whilst someone turns the steering wheel to be sure though

It doesn't sound particularly bad (at least from that video) - you've bought a high mileage car so it's never going to be quite like new.

Sounds like the dealer is at least going to be reasonable getting the bodywork sorted

Lesson really is to never buy a car without having it properly inspected. However it's too late this time so concentrate on getting what you can from the dealer to reach an acceptable compromise.

APJ · 10-22-2020, 04:43 AM

Also looks like its had either the Alpina or Xhp gearbox flash as well, not that that's a bad thing !

Russbmw · 10-22-2020, 05:07 AM

Result.

RE: having thigns in writing - it's not a bad point, but you also need to keep him on side.

A way around this would be to ask for whatever quotes you get to be emailed to you. YOu can then forward them on to the trader with words along the lines of:

"Hi

As discussed the other day, please find attached the additional quotes you requested for the points raised on the car"

Bmwguy82 · 10-22-2020, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by APJ

Also looks like its had either the Alpina or Xhp gearbox flash as well, not that that's a bad thing !

I was going to ask this question in a separate thread.

My 435i used to drop a gear every time I put it in sport mode. In this car even if i put it in sport at 1100rpm it stays.. Doesn't drop any gears. Also I have to press the gas 3/4 before it decides to drop a gear which is different to my 435i gearbox.

Is this normal?

Watsey · 10-22-2020, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmwguy82

I was going to ask this question in a separate thread.

My 435i used to drop a gear every time I put it in sport mode. In this car even if i put it in sport at 1100rpm it stays.. Doesn't drop any gears. Also I have to press the gas 3/4 before it decides to drop a gear which is different to my 435i gearbox.

Is this normal?

In short, no.

Sport mode (console button) and D/S mode (gearshift to the left) should always put the auto transmission into a sport shift map - this typically ensures that the engine is in its power band. Even for the 30d/35d this is typically ~2000rpm.

Bmwguy82 · 10-22-2020, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Watsey

In short, no.

Sport mode (console button) and D/S mode (gearshift to the left) should always put the auto transmission into a sport shift map - this typically ensures that the engine is in its power band. Even for the 30d/35d this is typically ~2000rpm.

If I move the shifter to the left, it drops a gear. When i put it in sport mode (console button), It doesn't do anything but change the steering weight and pedal sensitivity.

GEP77 · 10-22-2020, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmwguy82

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Originally Posted by Watsey

In short, no.

Sport mode (console button) and D/S mode (gearshift to the left) should always put the auto transmission into a sport shift map - this typically ensures that the engine is in its power band. Even for the 30d/35d this is typically ~2000rpm.

If I move the shifter to the left, it drops a gear. When i put it in sport mode (console button), It doesn't do anything but change the steering weight and pedal sensitivity.

Your sport mode setting in the iDrive will be configured to chassis only.

bishbosh · 10-22-2020, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmwguy82

If I move the shifter to the left, it drops a gear. When i put it in sport mode (console button), It doesn't do anything but change the steering weight and pedal sensitivity.

That's normal, you need the stick to the left for the sport map.
The sport rocker button just changes the steering and pedal feel (and the suspension if you have adaptive and have it enabled in iDrive).

Watsey · 10-22-2020, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmwguy82

If I move the shifter to the left, it drops a gear. When i put it in sport mode (console button), It doesn't do anything but change the steering weight and pedal sensitivity.

Sorry, my bad.

As per the following replies the Mode button on the centre console can be set to chassis only, or chassis and drivetrain.

Sounds like yours is set to the former.

If 'stick left' is shifting the AT to a lower ratio then at least that aspect appears to be working.

Bmwguy82 · 10-22-2020, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GEP77

Your sport mode setting in the iDrive will be configured to chassis only.

The settings are configured right. Just double checked.

I've got the mrs to take a picture so you can see what revs its sitting at.

My 435i used to drop a gear so it's in the right powerband just from the sport button. My friends f10 535d did the same. Can anyone with a 335d/330d comment on how theirs works?

Thanks

KRS_SN · 10-22-2020, 08:16 AM

whenever I used to switch to sports mode in my previous f series 335d it would drop a gear and you could see the rpm going up for a second before coming down.

Techno 9000 · 10-22-2020, 08:55 AM

435d here. Drops a gear when rocker is switched to Sport mode.
Your picture shows ‘D5’ in the instrument cluster a sure sign of being non-standard (perhaps Alpina or xhp flash to the TCU).

GEP77 · 10-22-2020, 09:01 AM

It does seem likely that a gearbox map and even an engine map could be the problem here.

Did you drive any other 335d prior to buying this one? I suspect that the car you've bought has been altered a fair bit, definitely things coded as well since you have the digital speedo.

Bmwguy82 · 10-22-2020, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GEP77

It does seem likely that a gearbox map and even an engine map could be the problem here.

Did you drive any other 335d prior to buying this one? I suspect that the car you've bought has been altered a fair bit, definitely things coded as well since you have the digital speedo.

I test drove another 335d but I didn't play around with the sport button. Just pushed the shifter to left and used paddles.

Regarding remap, It doesn't feel any faster than the other 335d I drove. Must be the gearbox map.

Is it easy enough to flash gearbox back to factory?

SkyJawa · 10-22-2020, 09:52 AM

I generally start car and select sport straight away but from what I can remember if driving along and not got the throttle input or revs need to drop its stays where it is. This is with an Alpina gearbox flash. Not done much driving lately though so can't say for sure!

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Bmwguy82 Private 14 Rep 67 Posts Drives: BMW F30 335d Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Leeds iTrader: (1)	UPDATE: Trader told me to take it to another BMW Independent for a second opinion. Booked in for early next week. Also was offered money to get my front end of the car painted.. Just need to get quotes! I've been really nice to the trader. We had a little dispute at the beginning but he is trying to help Anyone had the vibrating issue before? The whirling/vibrating noise goes away when i turn the steering but comes back when i let go. The noise seems to be coming from the left side of the engine.
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330XDave Major 629 Rep 1,470 Posts Drives: 330d xDrive Touring Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Nottingham, UK iTrader: (0)	Sounds like a decent dealer. Hopefully you'll come to a compromise on any work that needs doing.
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Sasquartch Major 606 Rep 1,455 Posts Drives: 520i G30 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Herts iTrader: (0)	It's difficult to be sure from that video but it sounds like it's just a bit more load on the engine when the steering wheel is turned which would be normal. I'm assuming it's an electric rack so more load on the steering would pull more current from the alternator. If the alternator drive belt and / or tensioners were worn then that might explain it You'd really need to have your head under the bonnet listening whilst someone turns the steering wheel to be sure though It doesn't sound particularly bad (at least from that video) - you've bought a high mileage car so it's never going to be quite like new. Sounds like the dealer is at least going to be reasonable getting the bodywork sorted Lesson really is to never buy a car without having it properly inspected. However it's too late this time so concentrate on getting what you can from the dealer to reach an acceptable compromise.
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APJ Captain 245 Rep 724 Posts Drives: F36 435d M Sport Plus Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Greater Manchester iTrader: (0)	Also looks like its had either the Alpina or Xhp gearbox flash as well, not that that's a bad thing !
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Russbmw Colonel 680 Rep 2,444 Posts Drives: 2018 630iGT sport Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Caloundra, Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 BMW 640i [0.00] 2014 BMW 530d GT [0.00] 2017 Kawasaki Z1000SX [0.00]	Result. RE: having thigns in writing - it's not a bad point, but you also need to keep him on side. A way around this would be to ask for whatever quotes you get to be emailed to you. YOu can then forward them on to the trader with words along the lines of: "Hi As discussed the other day, please find attached the additional quotes you requested for the points raised on the car" __________________
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KRS_SN Major General 13524 Rep 5,210 Posts Drives: IX,G07 Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Glasgow iTrader: (0) Garage List 2020 X7 [10.00] X5 [8.50] IX [8.00]	whenever I used to switch to sports mode in my previous f series 335d it would drop a gear and you could see the rpm going up for a second before coming down.
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Techno 9000 Captain 518 Rep 944 Posts Drives: 435D Estoril Blue Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: East Sussex iTrader: (0)	435d here. Drops a gear when rocker is switched to Sport mode. Your picture shows ‘D5’ in the instrument cluster a sure sign of being non-standard (perhaps Alpina or xhp flash to the TCU).
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GEP77 Major 409 Rep 1,162 Posts Drives: Tesla Model 3 Long Range. Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: South East London iTrader: (1)	It does seem likely that a gearbox map and even an engine map could be the problem here. Did you drive any other 335d prior to buying this one? I suspect that the car you've bought has been altered a fair bit, definitely things coded as well since you have the digital speedo.
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10-22-2020, 09:52 AM	#44
SkyJawa Major General 3719 Rep 8,636 Posts Drives: F10 530d Join Date: May 2014 Location: Hampshire iTrader: (1)	I generally start car and select sport straight away but from what I can remember if driving along and not got the throttle input or revs need to drop its stays where it is. This is with an Alpina gearbox flash. Not done much driving lately though so can't say for sure!
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