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      01-19-2012, 11:24 AM   #23
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Isn't it 19.1 today? Where the news, Scott?
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      01-19-2012, 11:27 AM   #24
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fuckin poorly thought out. I wanna smack the designers of the new 3er in the head.

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      01-19-2012, 11:36 AM   #25
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A loaded e92M is ~$77K+ and e93M is ~$83K, so for sure the M4GC will be close to if not over $90K+ loaded.
hmmm, my BMW config seems to be $75K with all options for the Coupe.
I have no problem with a M4 GC being $80K fully loaded, same as a CLS550 because then its just a choice of more sports car handling over size/luxury, but if it goes north of that, it even starts getting into M5 territory, do they really want a M4 GC and M5 to be $5K apart, especially since the M5 will have 100 more horsepower and a V8!
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      01-19-2012, 11:39 AM   #26
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wazz is thiz again?

Why do you write gran coupe in the title? I thought only 6er will be gran coupe.
What about F80 chassis?

This is the "smaller" gran coupe, and its looks great! When you realize the 6er GC is a very very large and heavy car, you can understand why BMW would take the design cues but make a sporty, midsize version.

I'll go for the F30 Msport for the first few years, then get the 4GC in M guise in a few more years, not a bad line up for the half a decade!
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      01-19-2012, 11:55 AM   #27
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hmmm, my BMW config seems to be $75K with all options for the Coupe.
I have no problem with a M4 GC being $80K fully loaded, same as a CLS550 because then its just a choice of more sports car handling over size/luxury, but if it goes north of that, it even starts getting into M5 territory, do they really want a M4 GC and M5 to be $5K apart, especially since the M5 will have 100 more horsepower and a V8!
No one really knows what the new M5 is going to cost so its hard to say for sure, but take this as a thought, if you max out the new 650i, your at 100K+, which seems at least to argue against the point that some believe the new M5 will "only" be mid 90s. If this does turn out to be true, it means that the non-M with "only" 400hp will cost more than the M5 with 560hp.

I point this out, because when you then see that the new 650 GC is like $5K+ more (than the 2door 6er)based on the pricing in germany, so there is clearly a prescedent that regardless of the model and perceived logical pricing, that BMW has their own thoughts and are marketing different cars in different ways.

I cant see the M4 GC being less costly than today's e93 M3, so Id argue that sure, loaded it could easily be $90K+ in a year or two when it actually comes out...And guess what, if its more agile, less hefty, it may well give the M5 a run for its money cause that thing is a BOAT! A very very fast speedboat, but a BOAT for sure

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      01-19-2012, 12:10 PM   #28
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It seems like BMW brings really two cars in the A5 Sportback range ... first the 3er GT (5-door hatch!?) which probably looks much more like an A5 Sportback than an small (Baby-)5er GT and the 4er CG (4-door coupe!).
Yes, fully agree ULI.

Audi is attempting to cover the four door coupe segment with what is actually a 5 door fastback with a hatch, rather than offering two distinct models like BMW is doing.

Time will tell whose approach proves more successful, but I like BMW's better at this point. Despite the frumpiness of the 5 GT, I think the 3 GT will be a real looker. And, despite the great looks of the Audi A7, I think it would look even better with a proper coupe notchback and trunk. The 6GC and now the 4GC look great, and would be spoiled by a 5 door configuration IMHO.
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      01-19-2012, 12:13 PM   #29
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I liked the e36-> e46. Loved the e46-> e90/92. But really hate this render.

The front bumper looks like a Hyundai Genesis Coupe. I really hope BMW doesn't do what Acura did to the TL...
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Any plans for a 1 series Gran Coupe?
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      01-19-2012, 12:18 PM   #31
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That's a great looking render. I'm not a big fan of the exposed grille touching the inside edge of the headlight on the new 3, but on this Gran Coupe render, that same styling cue works great. The headlight on the render appears to have a more aggressive shape compared to the "pinched off" look of the headlights on the new 3.
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I hope the grills aren't similar to the sedan..
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      01-19-2012, 12:25 PM   #33
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I love BMW cars, have had a few Ms in the past and have a new X3 now, but their pricing is starting to get insane. I remember not too long ago Mercedes cost a little more than BMW and it was because they were the "luxury" brand and BMW the "sports" brand. Then they started costing about the same so it was just a choice, luxury or sport, now BMW is costing more, and not just a little more but a lot more...

Lets compare

BMW M5 = ~$93K-95K starting? this is what everyone is thinking
Merc E63 = $89K

BMW 650i GC = $88K (based on 650i coupe plus $5K for GC version)
Merc CLS550 = $71K

BMW M6 GC= $110-$115K (based on a 650i costing $20K more than a 550i, so a M6GC will probably be $20K more than a M5)
Merc CLS63 = $95K ($102K with performance package giving it 550 HP 590 torque)

One could argue that the price difference between the E63 and M5 is pretty small (especially if the E63 needs the performance package to match the 0-60 time of the M5, which will inflate the price past an M5) but these cars may also come optioned differently. The big difference as you can see is in the 4 door coupes, the CLS styling isn't for everyone (either is the Gran Coupe) but a $17K difference between them with the same performance, in fact the CLS550 is rated 0-60 in 4.2 by C&D (yeah I know) they tested the 650i at 4.5 seconds, thats a pretty large gap! Now are they planning these crazy price differences for the 4 series Gran Coupe as well? is it going to cost $10K more than a 3 sedan? all for styling? If it was a little longer (say 2-3 more inches rear legroom) and nicer interior upgrades I would understand, but I doubt that will happen.
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so this car will be called 4 Series GranCoupe? or 3 Series GranCoupe?

I don't know...BMW future line is giving me dizzieness!
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so this car will be called 4 Series GranCoupe? or 3 Series GranCoupe?

I don't know...BMW future line is giving me dizzieness!
3.5 Series Gran Coupe probably.
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Interesting. So will the F32 4-series GC will have less interior space than the F30 3-series sedan, or will it slot in exactly between the F30 and the F10 in terms of length and interior space?

For E90 M3 owners who plan on upgrading to the next-generation M3 sedan, I'll be interested to see who opts for the F80 vs. the F82 GC.
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so this car will be called 4 Series GranCoupe? or 3 Series GranCoupe?

I don't know...BMW future line is giving me dizzieness!
4 Series GranCoupe.
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3.5 Series Gran Coupe probably.
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Any plans for a 1 series Gran Coupe?
Yes, SCOTT has mentioned they are considering it. But, remember, that would tenatively be a 2 series under the new naming scheme.
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So they will have two 4-door versions of the 3 series -- or will this be a 4-door version of the coupe, which I thought was the sedan...Im confused...
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So they will have two 4-door versions of the 3 series -- or will this be a 4-door version of the coupe, which I thought was the sedan...Im confused...
Just look at the 5 and 6 series for the precedent:

5 - sedan, touring, GT
6 - coupe, cabrio, GC

You can apply the same pattern to the 3 and 4 series, and at least partially, to the 1 and 2 series (no 1 series sedan or touring, at least not for this generation).
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I like the car, I just don't really understand the necessity for it. It seems like for the price point you could be in a 5er.
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If this is the end product i have one question? When can i buy it...Blows away the F30.
Heard that man. Heard that.
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