[Benjo6]

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I'm betting the most popular answer will be wheels or PPK-- but wanted to start the convo... As a sub thread, if you could only have one option which would you choose? (Predict M sport package)

Since I pick mine up in exactly one week (can't wait) I can't give a true opinion yet!

Should have posted this in General, but I'm on my mobile and can't figure out how to remove--- oh well!

[Jamesons Viggen]

Wheels/tires.

Biggest visual gain, biggest improvement in handling.

[arok]

i wouldn't say it's the biggest improvement in handling.

since I used to be a track junkie, it would be coilovers/camberplates

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Wheels/tires.

Biggest visual gain, biggest improvement in handling.

exactly my thoughts as well.

[mkhan526]

Bms tune. Pretty inexpensive and makes enough of a difference to put a smile on your face lol

[phx08]

I'm confused, why does this belong in this subform? Is it a journal?

[BTT 335i]

MPPK more cheap

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by arok

i wouldn't say it's the biggest improvement in handling.

since I used to be a track junkie, it would be coilovers/camberplates

What good are coilovers if your tires, that tiny contact patch-is not very good?

Two cars, same driver...put $1500 in coilovers and run a lap, take off the coils and put on proper wheels and summer tires and run a lap. How do you think that will play out?

[arok]

Depends. I think the m-sport 400m summer tires are pretty decent. unless you step up to some maximum performance or race tires, it wouldn't be better than improving the suspension on the car.

obviously running lighter wheels with r comps will be better than stock tires + coils. i guess it depends on what that mod's purpose is, b/c I wouldn't roll around on r comps on the street

[infinitekidM2C]

tune ninja!

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by arok

Depends. I think the m-sport 400m summer tires are pretty decent. unless you step up to some maximum performance or race tires, it wouldn't be better than improving the suspension on the car.

obviously running lighter wheels with r comps will be better than stock tires + coils. i guess it depends on what that mod's purpose is, b/c I wouldn't roll around on r comps on the street

Going from my 400m and S001s to lighter wheels and PSS' made a huge difference in grip/handling and steering feel.

[Benjo6]

Originally Posted by phx08

I'm confused, why does this belong in this subform? Is it a journal?

I accidentally posted it here-- oh well!

[PaulBailey@ltbmw]

I would go coilovers/spacers for biggest cosmetic/performance improvement.

[FVM3]

exhaust

[NiceNotRiceBMW]

tints

[Poohbore]

Mod the engine, not for top end but get up and go to pass the Sunday drivers

[Dinh335]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

What good are coilovers if your tires, that tiny contact patch-is not very good?

Two cars, same driver...put $1500 in coilovers and run a lap, take off the coils and put on proper wheels and summer tires and run a lap. How do you think that will play out?

what if its a base car with summer tires that the OP has. new coilovers around a track, vs the non coilover base case car with new wheels and new summer times. i think coilover guy has an edge.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Dinh335

what if its a base car with summer tires that the OP has. new coilovers around a track, vs the non coilover base case car with new wheels and new summer times. i think coilover guy has an edge.

First off, there is no base car summer tire available. You can only get summer tires in a square setup on the Sport, or staggered on the MSport.


The RFTs on these cars, even the S001s are decent at best. When you switch to a higher performing tire like the NON RFT PSS and wheels that are 20% lighter, yeah-big gain there.

It's not just my opinion. Most pros will tell you, your contact patch/wheel tire combo is the best place to start.

I remember a test of a then new 911 vs a Kia hatchback. They did a track test and put the best-stickiest tires they could on the Kia. The figure 8/cornering G difference was ridiculous. They went on to say that no single modification goes as far as the right wheel and tire setup.

[Dinh335]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

First off, there is no base car summer tire available. You can only get summer tires in a square setup on the Sport, or staggered on the MSport.


The RFTs on these cars, even the S001s are decent at best. When you switch to a higher performing tire like the NON RFT PSS and wheels that are 20% lighter, yeah-big gain there.

It's not just my opinion. Most pros will tell you, your contact patch/wheel tire combo is the best place to start.

I remember a test of a then new 911 vs a Kia hatchback. They did a track test and put the best-stickiest tires they could on the Kia. The figure 8/cornering G difference was ridiculous. They went on to say that no single modification goes as far as the right wheel and tire setup.

I know you'd say that, and Im aware about the base cars it's not what i meant literally.

All I'm saying is if you took my car, a 335 Msport with 400m and Conti summer tires.

put bbs rims and pilot super sports on it.

then go put the m peformance suspension on the other one or KWs etc.

I'm not sure it's a clear win for the bbs/super sport.

I'm not arguing with you i just think it's not so cut n dry, in fact in my own situation i might prefer the suspension mods.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Dinh335

I know you'd say that, and Im aware about the base cars it's not what i meant literally.

All I'm saying is if you took my car, a 335 Msport with 400m and Conti summer tires.

put bbs rims and pilot super sports on it.

then go put the m peformance suspension on the other one or KWs etc.

I'm not sure it's a clear win for the bbs/super sport.

I'm not arguing with you i just think it's not so cut n dry, in fact in my own situation i might prefer the suspension mods.

Gotcha.

I also agree it's not so cut and dry, it's hard to make absolutes here.

I am also not saying suspension is not important and a huge upgrade.

If you were doing it all and in stages, doing suspension first, then tires, or vice versa, neither is the wrong way to do it.

But if you only did one, man wheels and tires seem to make the car. On the flip side-the aesthetics. Your stock car at lower height is nice, some will look and notice, but the right wheels and tires have a way of making the car your own and people pay attention. Then of course you have that wheel gap-and you are back to wanting a suspension setup lol.

[Dinh335]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Gotcha.

I also agree it's not so cut and dry, it's hard to make absolutes here.

I am also not saying suspension is not important and a huge upgrade.

If you were doing it all and in stages, doing suspension first, then tires, or vice versa, neither is the wrong way to do it.

But if you only did one, man wheels and tires seem to make the car. On the flip side-the aesthetics. Your stock car at lower height is nice, some will look and notice, but the right wheels and tires have a way of making the car your own and people pay attention. Then of course you have that wheel gap-and you are back to wanting a suspension setup lol.

my trick is to just count tires and wheels and suspension as one mod anyways

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Dinh335

my trick is to just count tires and wheels and suspension as one mod anyways

LOL-that's what I do.