[///MSport420]

Originally ordered 420d m sport but thinking of 430d xdrive m sport...
420d is under production but dealer dsnt mind me changing the model so the diffrence between this two cars is £40 extra after they offered me £6411 off 430d

It sounds good but my insurance on 430d is extra £300p/y so that brings to in total of £780 a year extra comparing to 420d

is it still worth it coz for £40 extra on car installment gettin a lot of car and better car???

[uzi9mm]

Its worth it in the long run, the car will be worth more. But I would if I can afford the running costs ie fuel etc.

You have to stick to your budget, otherwise sky is the limit.

[MWA]

No one is going to turn around and say to you get the 420 over the 430, especially in a forum of BMW enthusiast... Most people here if had a choice would choose performance over economy when the difference isn't big!

For your insurance to be 300 quid extra a year between the two cars, I think you ought to be young and for a young man the 40 quid difference in the monthlies, you easily splash it out on a night out..

After all it's down to your budget as what uzi9mm said and what you truly can afford. The 430d will be a smoother ride and obviously more powerful, which will return more joy but less economy, if you can afford it, stop wasting time, go and get it before your spec on the 420 gets locked

[PrinceBarin]

The 420d is going to be a great car - a real all rounder with a wonderful balance of performance and economy. However, the 430d is undeniably smoother, better sounding and a fair bit quicker. Here is how Car magazine compared the performance of the two engines (albeit dropped into a 3 Series rather than a 4):

"With so much power on offer from just four cylinders, is there any point shelling out an extra £60 per month in company car tax for the 330d?

Hell yes! Contributing editor Steve Moody’s 320d is a brisk machine: 7.7sec to 62mph was hot-hatch shove not so long ago, and it feels far quicker than that when you flatten the right pedal from a rolling start. So that’s what we did at Rockingham, Steve in the 320d, me in the 330. And the way the 330d strolled away, I thought maybe he’d stalled, or fluffed a gear in the four-pot. The 320d has a 115kg weight advantage, but gives away 74bhp and a colossal 133lb ft of torque. Plant your foot in the 320d and you get a pleasant push in the back. Do the same in the 330d and you sink into your seat like you’re being sucked out of a 747 toilet at 35,000ft".

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...m-test-review/

I originally ordered a 420d and I would have loved it. But, having driven a 320d for nearly 2 years I knew I'd appreciate a little more grunt and refinement so, when I realised I could afford the extra, I upgraded to the 430d now on order. If you can afford it, I'd recommend the same.

Oh, and you get electric memory seats thrown in as standard on a 430d - almost worth the extra cost on their own

[Rich9600]

I went shopping for a 320d, took a 330d out to test the Sport Auto Box... Came back with a huge smile on my face... Some furious man maths and a 3 day 330d test drive later... My new 330d has just landed at the dealers waiting for a 14 plate.

£60 a year insurance increase over a 5 year old E90 320d... I'm 34... Will be £450 pa

Fuel economy is great on a 30d, but not as close to the 20d as the figures would imply... 1 mpg worse on fuel on paper than my E90. About a 5-8mpg drop on my E90 for my 12 mile commute, traffic and fun dependant... On longer runs the gap significantly narrows. Probably warming up the bigger engine is the issue. This economy gap may be slightly worse, as I was judging off the OBC of the F30 330d.

My spec was ideal for a 330d, the bundled options were all on my list...

The performance hike is very enjoyable, when the opportunity arises. 40-70 is fantastic for overtaking. However, a 20d is undoubtedly much more economical for runs less than about 15 miles. Above this the gap narrows.

If your maths says yes, you'll enjoy the way the power is delivered from the 30d. If not, a 20d is a very good car... My E90 has served me well and rewarded some spirited driving...

[///MSport420]

Originally Posted by MWA

No one is going to turn around and say to you get the 420 over the 430, especially in a forum of BMW enthusiast... Most people here if had a choice would choose performance over economy when the difference isn't big!

For your insurance to be 300 quid extra a year between the two cars, I think you ought to be young and for a young man the 40 quid difference in the monthlies, you easily splash it out on a night out..

After all it's down to your budget as what uzi9mm said and what you truly can afford. The 430d will be a smoother ride and obviously more powerful, which will return more joy but less economy, if you can afford it, stop wasting time, go and get it before your spec on the 420 gets locked

The car allready was on lockdown but they still agreed on changing.. if i go with 420d Xdrive m sport then i pay £10 more and insirance remain same...

[///MSport420]

Originally Posted by Rich9600

I went shopping for a 320d, took a 330d out to test the Sport Auto Box... Came back with a huge smile on my face... Some furious man maths and a 3 day 330d test drive later... My new 330d has just landed at the dealers waiting for a 14 plate.

£60 a year insurance increase over a 5 year old E90 320d... I'm 34... Will be £450 pa

Fuel economy is great on a 30d, but not as close to the 20d as the figures would imply... 1 mpg worse on fuel on paper than my E90. About a 5-8mpg drop on my E90 for my 12 mile commute, traffic and fun dependant... On longer runs the gap significantly narrows. Probably warming up the bigger engine is the issue. This economy gap may be slightly worse, as I was judging off the OBC of the F30 330d.

My spec was ideal for a 330d, the bundled options were all on my list...

The performance hike is very enjoyable, when the opportunity arises. 40-70 is fantastic for overtaking. However, a 20d is undoubtedly much more economical for runs less than about 15 miles. Above this the gap narrows.

If your maths says yes, you'll enjoy the way the power is delivered from the 30d. If not, a 20d is a very good car... My E90 has served me well and rewarded some spirited driving...

My insurance on 420d is £800 and 1100 on 330d

[///MSport420]

Originally Posted by uzi9mm

Its worth it in the long run, the car will be worth more. But I would if I can afford the running costs ie fuel etc.

You have to stick to your budget, otherwise sky is the limit.

Car will be worth more but then i pay £2500 more on 330d to settle the baloon

[///MSport420]

Originally Posted by PrinceBarin

The 420d is going to be a great car - a real all rounder with a wonderful balance of performance and economy. However, the 430d is undeniably smoother, better sounding and a fair bit quicker. Here is how Car magazine compared the performance of the two engines (albeit dropped into a 3 Series rather than a 4):

"With so much power on offer from just four cylinders, is there any point shelling out an extra £60 per month in company car tax for the 330d?

Hell yes! Contributing editor Steve Moody’s 320d is a brisk machine: 7.7sec to 62mph was hot-hatch shove not so long ago, and it feels far quicker than that when you flatten the right pedal from a rolling start. So that’s what we did at Rockingham, Steve in the 320d, me in the 330. And the way the 330d strolled away, I thought maybe he’d stalled, or fluffed a gear in the four-pot. The 320d has a 115kg weight advantage, but gives away 74bhp and a colossal 133lb ft of torque. Plant your foot in the 320d and you get a pleasant push in the back. Do the same in the 330d and you sink into your seat like you’re being sucked out of a 747 toilet at 35,000ft".

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...m-test-review/

I originally ordered a 420d and I would have loved it. But, having driven a 320d for nearly 2 years I knew I'd appreciate a little more grunt and refinement so, when I realised I could afford the extra, I upgraded to the 430d now on order. If you can afford it, I'd recommend the same.

Oh, and you get electric memory seats thrown in as standard on a 430d - almost worth the extra cost on their own

Another option in i stay with 420d and add xdrive which is £10 more and insurance stays low

What is the diffrence mpg between two??

[PrinceBarin]

Don't go igniting the xDrive debate!

In all seriousness though, not sure 320d xDrive vs 330d sDrive is comparing apples with apples. I'd choose the latter all day long.

[///MSport420]

What is the diffrence in mpg between the two in real life?? Not what paper says

[Rich9600]

Originally Posted by ///MSport420

What is the diffrence in mpg between the two???

20dx vs 30ds is about 1mpg difference on paper. However, as above, in reality this will be more in favour if the smaller engine on shorter runs...

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/...-f30-2012/330d

Check out Fuelly also

http://www.fuelly.com/car/bmw/330d/saloon

[Steven1077]

I was told you can't get a 430d xdrive until June or July, it's on the BMW site but when I tried to order one they said no

[///MSport420]

Originally Posted by Steven1077

I was told you can't get a 330d xdrive until June or July, it's on the BMW site but when I tried to order one they said no

They took my order without any probs stating the car launch in march and expected delivery end of march or first week of april. How long ago wss that when you were informed that??.i went yest

[Tengocity]

Why are you thinking of going from 420d to a 430d xdrive and not the 430d xdrive?

If you're concerned about the cost difference then you'll see a substantial difference (I'd guess around 10mpg) between the 420d and 430dX, probs less than 5mpg on the 420d to 430d...

The insurance differnece sounds a bit steep though.. have you checked other quotes?

[Steven1077]

Originally Posted by ///MSport420

They took my order without any probs stating the car launch in march and expected delivery end of march or first week of april. How long ago wss that when you were informed that??.i went yest

I asked last Monday, if you can confirm it's available I'll ask my salesman again

[///MSport420]

Originally Posted by Steven1077

I asked last Monday, if you can confirm it's available I'll ask my salesman again

Its definately available to order..because they have put through my order yest..i just need to make my mind up between 420 n 430. Confirm with them n let me know so i can advise you on my spec n discount so u get an idea

[///MSport420]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Why are you thinking of going from 420d to a 430d xdrive and not the 430d xdrive?

If you're concerned about the cost difference then you'll see a substantial difference (I'd guess around 10mpg) between the 420d and 430dX, probs less than 5mpg on the 420d to 430d...

The insurance differnece sounds a bit steep though.. have you checked other quotes?

I have quotes from moneysuper, comparemeerket and confused. They all came up identical. So u saying why dont i stick with 430d x drive and the diffrence on mpg is about 5mpg? Is that in real world or paper? Thnks

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by ///MSport420

I have quotes from moneysuper, comparemeerket and confused. They all came up identical. So u saying why dont i stick with 430d x drive and the diffrence on mpg is about 5mpg? Is that in real world or paper? Thnks

I understand why you would go from a 320d to a 430d, but you are also going xdrive, when it seems that wasn't the original plan? If so, then why don't you stick with standard sdrive 430d rather than a xdrive one?

The real world mpg difference between sdrive and xdrive on same engine is more than on paper it would seem. 430d can get in to high 40'd no probs, but more like low 40's on xdrive ones. With a 420d you will be in low 50's mpg.

[Steven1077]

Okay I don't understand the numbers you keep quoting, the 420 is £36455 with about £5k odd making it £31500, the 430d x is £41755 with £6411 off making it £35634 and that’s with no options, how is the price difference £40? It's more like £4000

Oh thats per month?

[///MSport420]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

I understand why you would go from a 320d to a 430d, but you are also going xdrive, when it seems that wasn't the original plan? If so, then why don't you stick with standard sdrive 430d rather than a xdrive one?

The real world mpg difference between sdrive and xdrive on same engine is more than on paper it would seem. 430d can get in to high 40'd no probs, but more like low 40's on xdrive ones. With a 420d you will be in low 50's mpg.

True that was not an original plan..
But then i can also stick with the original plan and just add xdrive to 420d m sport..the diffrence i'd pay is £10 on top of my current installments.

The question is do i need quick car keeping in mind that am not a boyracer..i know it sounds boring but am 70-80mph guy who always put my life n my family first. Its a difficult one coz with 430d xd sm getting a lot of car for £40 extra

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by ///MSport420

True that was not an original plan..
But then i can also stick with the original plan and just add xdrive to 420d m sport..the diffrence i'd pay is £10 on top of my current installments.

The question is do i need quick car keeping in mind that am not a boyracer..i know it sounds boring but am 70-80mph guy who always put my life n my family first. Its a difficult one coz with 430d xd sm getting a lot of car for £40 extra

So I suppose the question is: What's more important, going to xdrive or going to a 430d?

You could have both, but sounds like it's spending more than you really want to?