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      07-06-2020, 03:08 PM   #23
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Unless you use a success ballast formula, you always tend to get one team out front. To me there's nothing wrong with that as there are always mini races throughout the field. The best team deserves to win.

Erm, Williams have had Mercedes engines since 2014.
100% agree, the best team should win, hard work needs rewarded. Not a fan of control measures put in place to even the field, IE ballast or inverted starting grids. My point was the governing body has changed the formula in the past when one team was dominant, like restricting testing days and limiting wind tunnel testing. This current formula has run it's course in my opinion. The manufactures get involved to improve their production cars. How many production cars have an gas(petrol) engine, electric engine, MGU-H and MGU-K and fuel flow restrictions?
Not looking for a debate, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just wish F1 would give the teams more opportunity to catch up if they don't nail the engine formula correct the year they implement new rules.

As for the Merc engine, I stand corrected, thought it was new this year. Still wish they were more competitive.
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Not looking for a debate, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just wish F1 would give the teams more opportunity to catch up if they don't nail the engine formula correct the year they implement new rules.
Perhaps we'll see the playing field levelled-up a bit with the budget cap that's being introduced from next year? Having said that, even under the current rules and limits being able to spend a lot of money hasn't been a guarantee of success - witness Ferrari!
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Not looking for a debate, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just wish F1 would give the teams more opportunity to catch up if they don't nail the engine formula correct the year they implement new rules.
Perhaps we'll see the playing field levelled-up a bit with the budget cap that's being introduced from next year? Having said that, even under the current rules and limits being able to spend a lot of money hasn't been a guarantee of success - witness Ferrari!
Is anyone else sceptical about how they control a budget cap?

Like any company with diverse resources, the bigger ones (MB/ Ferrari) are surely able to hide development costs much better than a smaller team. Might make things even worse?
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F1 is back.... and so is Alonso...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53325412
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F1 is back.... and so is Alonso...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53325412
It will be interesting to see how this works out.

Personally I think it's a shame Alonso ended-up in uncompetitive cars - and ultimately out of F1 altogether - because I think he's probably the only driver who's been on a similar level to Hamilton over the last 10 or 12 years. However, he has to take a large share of the responsibility for the mis-management of his moves between teams and ultimately has only himself to blame IMO.

After two years away I'm not convinced returning to a Renault team that's more middle of the pack than front of the grid is going end well either. Strikes me as a recipe for Alonso just being frustrated by continued under-performance (as he was at McLaren before he retired) and there's also the memory of Schumacher's return in my mind; it's not always easy to come back and reach the levels you did previously.

So only time will tell but I fear this could be another let-down in Alonso's F1 career...
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F1 is back.... and so is Alonso...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53325412
It will be interesting to see how this works out.

Personally I think it's a shame Alonso ended-up in uncompetitive cars - and ultimately out of F1 altogether - because I think he's probably the only driver who's been on a similar level to Hamilton over the last 10 or 12 years. However, he has to take a large share of the responsibility for the mis-management of his moves between teams and ultimately has only himself to blame IMO.

After two years away I'm not convinced returning to a Renault team that's more middle of the pack than front of the grid is going end well either. Strikes me as a recipe for Alonso just being frustrated by continued under-performance (as he was at McLaren before he retired) and there's also the memory of Schumacher's return in my mind; it's not always easy to come back and reach the levels you did previously.

So only time will tell but I fear this could be another let-down in Alonso's F1 career...
100% agree. I can't see Alonso shining.

I don't recall many retired F1 driver maintaining the competitive edge in a second career. Exceptions being Prost (not counting the midway season retirees, like Lauda after his crash)

Schumacher, Jones, Mansell, Raikkonen, Kubica, etc didn't live up to their past.
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Schumacher, Jones, Mansell, Raikkonen, Kubica, etc didn't live up to their past.
Kubica was one returning driver I was really wanting to succeed.
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100% agree. I can't see Alonso shining.

I don't recall many retired F1 driver maintaining the competitive edge in a second career. Exceptions being Prost (not counting the midway season retirees, like Lauda after his crash)

Schumacher, Jones, Mansell, Raikkonen, Kubica, etc didn't live up to their past.
I agree. And Prost came back into a car that even Damon Hill won in.
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I agree. And Prost came back into a car that even Damon Hill won in.
Prost didn't retire in 1991 though; he was sacked by Ferrari late in the season by which time all the good drives for 1992 were taken. Therefore, rather than have a season in an uncompetitive car, he took a sabbatical as he was confident he'd be able to secure a good drive for 1993 (which he did with Williams). So it wasn't like he'd waved goodbye to F1 in the way Lauda, Schumacher, Raikkonen and Alonso all did - for Prost it was only ever an extended holiday and throughout 1992 I'm sure his mindset would have been one of a current F1 driver even though he wasn't actually racing.
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It sounds to me in the article like he just misses the buzz of F1 and wants to be back in it. He was always pretty demanding and unhappy with middle of the pack before. He’s not daft though, and in joining Renault he will know that is most likely where he will be. Yes he’s holding onto hope that they’ll be more competitive in a couple of years, but he’ll know that’s still a long shot.
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What a pole from Lewis.

Smashed RedBull at their home by 1.2s in the wet. Very impressive.

Enjoyable qualifying in that.
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What a pole from Lewis.

Smashed RedBull at their home by 1.2s in the wet. Very impressive.

Enjoyable qualifying in that.
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Where does VET end up next year then?

Watching at home it seems
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Where does VET end up next year then?

Watching at home it seems
Running errands for Le Clerc?
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Good qualifying session that one. Really glad it was raining, even though last weeks race was decent enough, you wouldn't just want a repeat. The wet spices it all up.
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i know its early days but Sainz must be wondering if Ferrari is the right move... Richardo certantly hasnt clicked with the renault like ocon has so wont have any excusses when moving to the mclaren next year as they have clearly found there pace now!

Ohh what an intresting year it should of been
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Good qualifying session that one. Really glad it was raining, even though last weeks race was decent enough, you wouldn't just want a repeat. The wet spices it all up.
The wet normally takes the "power" advantace out of the fast cars, but when you have the best driver in the best car that normally makes no odds to the end result! Super drive from Ham, but equally from Ocon, Sainz, Albon, Gasly and Norris, impressed with Russell as well, really wish he would get put in a decent car already!

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What a pole from Lewis.

Smashed RedBull at their home by 1.2s in the wet. Very impressive.

Enjoyable qualifying in that.
Mr Redbull's home and the racecars teams home is 2 diffrent things
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Good qualifying session that one. Really glad it was raining, even though last weeks race was decent enough, you wouldn't just want a repeat. The wet spices it all up.
The wet normally takes the "power" advantace out of the fast cars, but when you have the best driver in the best car that normally makes no odds to the end result! Super drive from Ham, but equally from Ocon, Sainz, Albon, Gasly and Norris, impressed with Russell as well, really wish he would get put in a decent car already!

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What a pole from Lewis.

Smashed RedBull at their home by 1.2s in the wet. Very impressive.

Enjoyable qualifying in that.
Mr Redbull's home and the racecars teams home is 2 diffrent things
Yes it is but it's still their teams names circuit but yup ok point for you
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Can someone explain why last weekend’s incident with Albon/Hamilton was worthy of a penalty, yet today’s insanity by Le Clerc trying to insert his car into a space that wasn’t there was deemed a racing incident?
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Can someone explain why last weekend's incident with Albon/Hamilton was worthy of a penalty, yet today's insanity by Le Clerc trying to insert his car into a space that wasn't there was deemed a racing incident?
I guess if you take yourself out and the other team doesn't protest, then no further investigation. Provided it wasn't dangerous.

But looking at that Lewis / Albon incident a few more times, and seeing a number of other attempts at that corner, that was a racing incident. No penalty needed.
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