04-28-2021, 03:14 PM | #23 |
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Are you sure it won't override before, or near WOT?
I know cars I've driven with ECO PRO will override without a kickdown. For me, it's similar to using LIM, you do need to get near to WOT to override. If you are not precise with application, easy to give it a kickdown and surprise yourself. |
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04-28-2021, 03:57 PM | #24 |
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Pretty sure...
Kick down is the "safety feature". Below that, it is very "eco". I'd say, buttdyno, power delivery as a 120 PS engine.
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I'd like to know what evidence you have eco pro limits engine power output at WOT compared to other modes. |
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04-28-2021, 09:18 PM | #26 |
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I'm not buying the limiting power portion. I played a bit today, and eco pro wants to push my to 7th gear on city streets that I'd drive in 5th, so yes, it "feels" like it has no power, but really it's just in the wrong gear.
When I pulled onto the highway, doing 60MPH, in Manual 4th, I pinned it in eco pro (boost gauge it around 18PSI). Slowed, popped into sport and got about 18PSI again (which would mean identical power). Now in 1st or 2nd gear, maybe it pulls power more, I cannot comment. It's tough to test with BM3 stage 2 since the speedo rockets up too fast. |
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(Spoiler: If it is in the "wrong" gear - it does not have its full power..... Same thing) All I am saying is that you will NOT get the full power output of the engine in EcoPro, no matter what you do, unless you press kick-down. How this is achieved - whether through a high gear, reverse curve mapping or both - that's another topic. Proof - try it yourself. It is pretty obvious. I will also test it again at WOT (no kick-down) next time to confirm, but I am quite confident it is limited.
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04-29-2021, 07:31 AM | #29 |
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You get full power, you have poor acceleration due to the incorrect gear. I know what you are saying, but technically the power is identical, but driving experience is suffering.
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It was more of looking for that "easter egg". |
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Well apples become bananas as soon as you press the throttle and, unlike Sport+, EcoPro prevents you from going up to 5000 RPM (both through upshifting and a reversed mapping curve of the throttle)....!
(again, the exception being kickdown). So you are effectively driving a less powerful car Meaning the end-result is that you don't get full power... And that's exactly what I have been saying What you are saying is that if hypothetically EcoPro would allow you to go to higher RPMs you would get the same power. True. But it doesn't. So you don't. Full stop.
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04-29-2021, 09:19 AM | #34 | |
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If so, then surely kickdown is what is required, to get you where you'd be in comparison to the Sport modes, for a given road speed. As I see it, there may be a slight delay as the turbo would need to spool, to be where the Sport mode rpm would already be. Gears would then be running in parallel, whichever mode for maximum acceleration. Make sense? |
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I've only turned EcoPro on once or twice...and immediately turned it off...
I know what it's supposed to do, but don't know how that mode is supposed to help it go about doing it. The engine bogs down under load at a low rpm and I feel like I have the depress the pedal much more to get it going than I otherwise would in Comfort mode. And that 'bogging' transmits a lot of drone and extra vibration into the cabin. Not a pleasant mode to drive in for me...but again, I've only tried it a couple of times.
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Can't confirm the above. EcoPro is simply for long-haul cruising where you maintain more or less the same speed, you want to drive comfortably, you don't need or want to accelerate heavily.
You get the coasting feature which you get in no other mode. The RPMs are maintained very low, so that there is minimum engine noise. Fuel economy increases. I like it. Every mode in this car has its purpose and I love that.
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I'll try switching it on once I'm on the freeway and seeing what it does on my way home from work, if I remember.
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I agree with the above points. But as I mentioned I found it most useful for us when I was teaching my teen to drive. Because of the reduced response, she did not have to worry so much about the pedal feel during the early parts of our driving lessons.
I will add on long haul highways in Louisiana and Texas at 80-85+ mph I found no savings in eco vs comfort, at least as measured by the bmw mpg values in idrive. I do note a bit better mpg at lower speeds on local highways. |
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Try it whenever all you do is just cruise and you are not in the mood to or simply cannot drive sporty. That's where it shines and fulfils it's purpose. For me lately that's 20%-30% of the cases as this is not a daily car.
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Of course, slow to a stop and the above complaints become evident again. But, for maintaining speed I liked the way it operated. I think I’ll try it out again on the next long haul. Thanks for explaining it, I thought it was the most absolute backwards feature for driving around town!
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What he's saying though is that the engine is producing the same power all the time regardless of mode selected. The rest or the car is just intentionally using that available power pisspoor for performance. YES the difference in response is due to all the things affected by eco mode vs the others. AFAIK the only models that give different horsepower, are some of the older M5 models, never driven one, just watched a lot of top gear and IIRC, regular modes are 400ish hp, push the M button, and it turns it up to 505ish. |
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I do use it on a flat and straight portion of highway to my daughter's college. Speeds along a 1.5 hour stretch of the road stay around 70~75mph due to traffic and a heavy Highway Patrol presence. The best approach is just to set the cruise control at 75, drop the car into eco-pro (when it isn't really hot and sunny), and just glide along.
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It depends on the driver and what they are comfortable with. I autocross and track as well, but in my M3, I don't put it in sport+ simply because I run DSC completely off and the rear tires can break loose even in 2nd gear. I prefer the linear nature of the less aggressive throttle mapping to allow for more precise control. It also allows me to steer with the throttle much easier. Also, consider this: A BMW team racer recommended to track the F80 in comfort mode for the same reason! I'm sure a tuned F30 would be similar.
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