[okeanos315]

Hello everyone!

I am quite new to this forum so excuse me if this thread was already made but I haven't found one. Also sorry for any mistakes regarding posting...this is my first post.

As the title says I am interested in which sizes fit 2017 440i with luxury line. Is there even any difference between luxury line or msport in terms of wheel fitment? Currently I have 18'' 225 mm in front and in the back because that's how the car came stock.

I am going to tune the car in the spring so I think I need wider wheels because already now I think this car has too much power for 225 mm wheels. I will do a flash tune and I am going for stage 1 tune so the car will have around 400 hp I hope. So what wheel size would you recommend me?

Also which wheel brand would you recommend? Or if you have any particular wheel style in mind. At first I was thinking to just buy Bmw wheels because i want the car to look as stock as possible. But I read in the other thread that Bmw oem wheels aren't as good as some other aftermarket wheels. For now I have liked the VMR V804 wheels and Vossen HF3 so you get the idea what kind of style I like.

I am new to the whole tuning and aftermarket parts so thank you everyone for your help!

[alohasurftoad]

What is your total budget for wheels and tires. Also, are you lowered or planning to?

IMO Aftermarket wheel construction should be at the least flow/formed.

For staggered aftermarket wheel sizes 19x8.5(or 9") +(30-35) front, 19x9.5(or 10") +(40-45) rear. Tire size combinations, 235/40/19 & 265/35/19 or 245/35/19 & 255/35/19 or 245/35/19 & 275/30/19(or 285/30/19)

If square, 19x(8.5-9.5"max) +35ish with 255/35/19.

If OEM 19" F-series wheels, use 245/35/19 & 255/35/19

Regarding brands, VMR is just ok for me, Vossen is better.

Check out Vorsteiner, HRE, Stance, Vertini, VS Forged, TSW, Beyern, Rohana, Avant Garde, Apex(if 18"), and many more.

You can also just upgrade the tire sizes on your current 18" to 245/40/18 or 235/45/18. Max performance non-runflat such as Michelin Pilot Sport 4S will increase grip considerably.

[johnung]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

What is your total budget for wheels and tires. Also if you're are lowered or planning to.

IMO Aftermarket wheel construction should be at the least flow/formed.

For staggered aftermarket wheel sizes 19x8.5(or 9") +(30-35) front, 19x9.5(or 10") +(40-45) rear. Tire size combinations, 235/40/19 & 265/35/19 or 245/35/19 & 255/35/19 or 245/35/19 & 275/30/19(or 285/30/19)

If square, 19x(8.5-9.5"max) +35ish with 255/35/19.

If OEM 19" F-series wheels, use 245/35/19 & 255/35/19

Regarding brands, VMR is just ok for me, Vossen is better.

Check out Vorsteiner, HRE, Stance, Vertini, VS Forged, TSW, Beyern, Rohana, Avant Garde, Apex(if 18"), and many more.

You can also just upgrade the tire sizes on your current 18" to 245/40/18 or 235/45/18. Max performance non-runflat such as Michelin Pilot Sport 4S will increase grip considerably.

Excellent advice from guru Alohasurftoad as usual. I followed his advice last year!

I really didn't have the money for new wheels and I really like the look of my BMW 400M wheels (18"x 8.0"). Plus I didn't want to move to 19" wheels. The roads in my area can be bad and guys running 19" wheels seem to report more tire damage from potholes, whether runflats or non-runflats.

On his advice, I installed Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires in 245/40-18 right on my standard 400M wheels. The improvement in handling was amazing both from the wider size and the MPS4S tire tread & compound. Could feel the tires stick like glue to the tarmac on the very first turn. Hitting curves like highway on-ramps is just so cool!

I didn't really consider spending money on a 235/45 option, because the 245 options made more sense. The 245/40-18 provide the very best handling. I also considered 245/45-18 which would have great handling but also best comfort due to slightly higher sidewall. (Which also fills more fender gap tricking eye into thinking that the car has been lowered)

Remember that the MPS4S is a summer tire with a compound that performs down to about 40 degrees Fahrenheit. They need to be dismounted if winter temps get below that. My local National Tire & Battery retailer honored their website coupon to mount and balance a winter set of tires for $49.

So you don't have to have a complete second set of winter wheels. But if you want a second set, then used 400M's are plentiful starting at about $300/set of four and going up in price by $100-$200/set depending on how pristine they are.

I mounted a set of winter Michelin X-ICE Xi3 in 225/45-18 which are the perfect tire and size for my areas typical winter weather. I could have put my original all season runflats on for winter as well.

Some people just want an All Season that they can mount an run all year round. That's always a compromise over running specific summer & winter tires and sizes. If I was forced to pick an All Season I'd choose the Michelin PS A/S 3+ depending on my top priority in either the 245/40-18 (handling) or 245/45-18 (ride comfort).

Hope this helps!

[okeanos315]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

What is your total budget for wheels and tires. Also, are you lowered or planning to?

IMO Aftermarket wheel construction should be at the least flow/formed.

For staggered aftermarket wheel sizes 19x8.5(or 9") +(30-35) front, 19x9.5(or 10") +(40-45) rear. Tire size combinations, 235/40/19 & 265/35/19 or 245/35/19 & 255/35/19 or 245/35/19 & 275/30/19(or 285/30/19)

If square, 19x(8.5-9.5"max) +35ish with 255/35/19.

If OEM 19" F-series wheels, use 245/35/19 & 255/35/19

Regarding brands, VMR is just ok for me, Vossen is better.

Check out Vorsteiner, HRE, Stance, Vertini, VS Forged, TSW, Beyern, Rohana, Avant Garde, Apex(if 18"), and many more.

You can also just upgrade the tire sizes on your current 18" to 245/40/18 or 235/45/18. Max performance non-runflat such as Michelin Pilot Sport 4S will increase grip considerably.

Right now the car is completely stock. I am also not lowered and I am not planning to do so in near future. My budget for wheels and tires is 4000-5000€.

I am probably going for staggered setup. If I will go for aftermarket wheels will all of the above setups be able to fit my car without any additional work? Or if I let's say go for 245/35/19 & 275/30/19 I will need to do some things to fit these wheel/tires on my car?

Out of all wheel and tire combinations which would you recommend me? I am not going to track the car a lot (maybe once a year) but I am going to use it on curvy country roads where I am going to push the car a bit. I use the car as a daily driver in the summer. This is also going to be summer only setup because I have another set for winter use only (we get snow where I live in winter).

[okeanos315]

Originally Posted by johnung

Excellent advice from guru Alohasurftoad as usual. I followed his advice last year!

I really didn't have the money for new wheels and I really like the look of my BMW 400M wheels (18"x 8.0"). Plus I didn't want to move to 19" wheels. The roads in my area can be bad and guys running 19" wheels seem to report more tire damage from potholes, whether runflats or non-runflats.

On his advice, I installed Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires in 245/40-18 right on my standard 400M wheels. The improvement in handling was amazing both from the wider size and the MPS4S tire tread & compound. Could feel the tires stick like glue to the tarmac on the very first turn. Hitting curves like highway on-ramps is just so cool!

I didn't really consider spending money on a 235/45 option, because the 245 options made more sense. The 245/40-18 provide the very best handling. I also considered 245/45-18 which would have great handling but also best comfort due to slightly higher sidewall. (Which also fills more fender gap tricking eye into thinking that the car has been lowered)

Remember that the MPS4S is a summer tire with a compound that performs down to about 40 degrees Fahrenheit. They need to be dismounted if winter temps get below that. My local National Tire & Battery retailer honored their website coupon to mount and balance a winter set of tires for $49.

So you don't have to have a complete second set of winter wheels. But if you want a second set, then used 400M's are plentiful starting at about $300/set of four and going up in price by $100-$200/set depending on how pristine they are.

I mounted a set of winter Michelin X-ICE Xi3 in 225/45-18 which are the perfect tire and size for my areas typical winter weather. I could have put my original all season runflats on for winter as well.

Some people just want an All Season that they can mount an run all year round. That's always a compromise over running specific summer & winter tires and sizes. If I was forced to pick an All Season I'd choose the Michelin PS A/S 3+ depending on my top priority in either the 245/40-18 (handling) or 245/45-18 (ride comfort).

Hope this helps!

Thank you for sharing your experience! I can't wait for the spring so I can tune the car and get the new wheels!

As I said in the other reply I am going to buy new wheels and tires. Currently I have two sets already, one for winter and one for summer. We get snow in the winter so I really need winter tires. I am planning to sell my current summer wheels so I am going to get some money back.

I have heard a lot of great things about Michelin Pilot Sport 4S so I am leaning towards them. How are they in comparison to the Pirelli P Zero (runflat) that comes standard with the car in terms of comfort? I know they are miles ahead performance wise but some roads around me are in not so great condition so I am a bit worried that they are a bit too sporty for me.

Also how do you cope with the fact that they are not runflat? Do you have a spare one or do you just hope that you don't get a puncture?

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by okeanos315

Thank you for sharing your experience! I can't wait for the spring so I can tune the car and get the new wheels!

As I said in the other reply I am going to buy new wheels and tires. Currently I have two sets already, one for winter and one for summer. We get snow in the winter so I really need winter tires. I am planning to sell my current summer wheels so I am going to get some money back.

I have heard a lot of great things about Michelin Pilot Sport 4S so I am leaning towards them. How are they in comparison to the Pirelli P Zero (runflat) that comes standard with the car in terms of comfort? I know they are miles ahead performance wise but some roads around me are in not so great condition so I am a bit worried that they are a bit too sporty for me.

Also how do you cope with the fact that they are not runflat? Do you have a spare one or do you just hope that you don't get a puncture?

+1 for the PS4S. I just replaced the stock runflats (bridgestone, not pirelli) on my 335i with PS4S on Monday. I have been running the PS4S predecessor (MPSS) on my 3000gt for several years. After i made that change from a all-season (on the 3000gt), i will never buy anything except MPSS/PS4S. Same experience with the change on the BMW, and even though i was going from a summer tire to another summer tire, the improvement is still noticeable. There is a reason PS4S are generally regarded as the best street summer tire ("street" meaning it is not a R compound and has a mileage warranty).

In terms of comfort, non-runflat will always be better than runflat, and PS4S is no exception. The stiffer sidewalls in the runflats make potholes and poor road conditions louder and more jarring even through the suspension. I don't know what you mean by "too sporty", but going from runflat pirelli to non-runflat PS4S will definitely be a better ride.

Pretty much all M cars run PS4S and do not have a spare. BMW provides a puncture kit in the trunk of those cars, and you could opt for that if you wanted. Or, just get AAA if you don't have it already.

EDIT: also +1 for these sizes, as this is what i just installed.

If OEM 19" F-series wheels, use 245/35/19 & 255/35/19

[johnung]

Originally Posted by okeanos315

Thank you for sharing your experience! I can't wait for the spring so I can tune the car and get the new wheels!

As I said in the other reply I am going to buy new wheels and tires. Currently I have two sets already, one for winter and one for summer. We get snow in the winter so I really need winter tires. I am planning to sell my current summer wheels so I am going to get some money back.

I have heard a lot of great things about Michelin Pilot Sport 4S so I am leaning towards them. How are they in comparison to the Pirelli P Zero (runflat) that comes standard with the car in terms of comfort? I know they are miles ahead performance wise but some roads around me are in not so great condition so I am a bit worried that they are a bit too sporty for me.

Also how do you cope with the fact that they are not runflat? Do you have a spare one or do you just hope that you don't get a puncture?

Actually the runflat ride is harsh because of the really stiff sidewall material. Even though MPS4S are sporty tires they are much softer riding so they handle rough roads and potholes much better. It a big change in ride comfort.

See photos. The Slime 8-minute compressor kit works great for our cars and fits in under floor trunk compartment. Also a scissor jack fits there too. I carry a full spare on long trips so my trip schedule is in no danger of being interrupted

[alohasurftoad]

OEM diameters are 26", 245/35/19 & 275/30/19 are 25.8" & 25.5", wheel gaps would increase slightly, so it would look better with a mild drop.

235/40/19, 265/35/19 is best on unlowered/stock height f-series. 245/40/19 & 275/35/19 is another option and is the max diameter increase I'd recommend as its changing wheel gearing and adding rolling resistance.

Post other wheel choices available where you're located for additional advice.

[okeanos315]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

OEM diameters are 26", 245/35/19 & 275/30/19 are 25.8" & 25.5", wheel gaps would increase slightly, so it would look better with a mild drop.

235/40/19, 265/35/19 is best on unlowered/stock height f-series. 245/40/19 & 275/35/19 is another option and is the max diameter increase I'd recommend as its changing wheel gearing and adding rolling resistance.

Post other wheel choices available where you're located for additional advice.

I am from Slovenia so we don't get many options on wheel companies around here...mostly just BBS, OZ, AEZ. I will probably have to order them from Italy, Austria or Germany.

I guess 235/40/19, 265/35/19 is the best option for me then.

Can I ask you what does "+(30-35)" and "+(40-45)" in "19x8.5(or 9") +(30-35) front, 19x9.5(or 10") +(40-45)" mean?

I hope I am not bothering you too much. You are very helpful!

[alohasurftoad]

Originally Posted by okeanos315

I am from Slovenia so we don't get many options on wheel companies around here...mostly just BBS, OZ, AEZ. I will probably have to order them from Italy, Austria or Germany.
I guess 235/40/19, 265/35/19 is the best option for me then.
Can I ask you what does "+(30-35)" and "+(40-45)" in "19x8.5(or 9") +(30-35) front, 19x9.5(or 10") +(40-45)" mean?
I hope I am not bothering you too much. You are very helpful!

ahh.. +(30-35) is an offset range between ET30 to ET35. so for the front, 19x8.5 between ET30 and ET35, rear 19x9.5 between ET40 and ET45. it doesn't have to be exactly but this will give you a safe fitment. no rubbing, no handling compromise, looks great. many times a particular brand and wheel may come in width but the ET may be out of this range. so if you find something you like you can post the specifications here and we can tell you how it will fit.

EDIT...I don't know about AEZ because we don't have them here in the USA. BBS performance line wheels seem a bit heavy.

How about OZ Leggera HLT? 19x8.5 ET35 (10kg) front, 19x9.5 ET45 (10.45kg) Rear with 235/40/19, 265/35/19 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S?

[okeanos315]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

ahh.. +(30-35) is an offset range between ET30 to ET35. so for the front, 19x8.5 between ET30 and ET35, rear 19x9.5 between ET40 and ET45. it doesn't have to be exactly but this will give you a safe fitment. no rubbing, no handling compromise, looks great. many times a particular brand and wheel may come in width but the ET may be out of this range. so if you find something you like you can post the specifications here and we can tell you how it will fit.

EDIT...I don't know about AEZ because we don't have them here in the USA. BBS performance line wheels seem a bit heavy.

How about OZ Leggera HLT? 19x8.5 ET35 (10kg) front, 19x9.5 ET45 (10.45kg) Rear with 235/40/19, 265/35/19 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S?

I was actually looking at them a few months ago in the shop where I change tires and they look nice. How is OZ quality wise?

[cfm56d7b]

Literally nothing to add to the advice provided by alohasurftoad. As always, the very best and practical information.

[alohasurftoad]

Originally Posted by okeanos315

I was actually looking at them a few months ago in the shop where I change tires and they look nice. How is OZ quality wise?

here is someone with 19" leggera...https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=62

OZ started in 1971. Racing Heritage. Reputation for being light but still durable. I only recommend things that I have or would consider buying myself.

I'd want the rear to have concavity like the image below which i believe 19x9.5 ET45 will have

[Taranto300]

Originally Posted by okeanos315

Hello everyone!

I am quite new to this forum so excuse me if this thread was already made but I haven't found one. Also sorry for any mistakes regarding posting...this is my first post.

As the title says I am interested in which sizes fit 2017 440i with luxury line. Is there even any difference between luxury line or msport in terms of wheel fitment? Currently I have 18'' 225 mm in front and in the back because that's how the car came stock.

I am going to tune the car in the spring so I think I need wider wheels because already now I think this car has too much power for 225 mm wheels. I will do a flash tune and I am going for stage 1 tune so the car will have around 400 hp I hope. So what wheel size would you recommend me?

Also which wheel brand would you recommend? Or if you have any particular wheel style in mind. At first I was thinking to just buy Bmw wheels because i want the car to look as stock as possible. But I read in the other thread that Bmw oem wheels aren't as good as some other aftermarket wheels. For now I have liked the VMR V804 wheels and Vossen HF3 so you get the idea what kind of style I like.

I am new to the whole tuning and aftermarket parts so thank you everyone for your help!

I had 18s. Then 19s.

Ride is awesome with 19s. Looks better too with lower profile sidewalls.

The noise......meh.....I play music and drive with sunroof open mostly. Tire noise may be an issue if you have passengers.

[Mrgaxxl]

I am also from Slovenia, and I own a 440i gran coupe.
I know this is not my thread but can you give me inside on my setup.
I bought a car 1 month ago, and this is my tire setup for summer:
20" rims replica style 788M=8,5Jx20ET40 front, 10Jx20ET45 =back
Tires are Michellin Pilot Sport 4S 255/30R20 front, 285/25R20 back
Is this size to much? I read and heard that wider tires at back improve performance/handling, but front seems to me to wide for cornering is this correct?

19" OEM 704 rims winter tires: Continental WinterContact TS860
(225/40R19 / 225/35R19) this is from contract, but I think back ones are 255/35r19.

[alohasurftoad]

Originally Posted by Mrgaxxl

and this is my tire setup for summer:
20" rims replica style 788M=8,5Jx20ET40 front, 10Jx20ET45 =back
Tires are Michellin Pilot Sport 4S 255/30R20 front, 285/25R20 back
Is this size to much? I read and heard that wider tires at back improve performance/handling, but front seems to me to wide for cornering is this correct?

if you want best handling 245/30/20 front(or keep your 255/30/20) and use 265/30/20 rear
if you want best appearance 235/35/20 front, 265/30/20 or 275/30/20 rear.

on these platforms, increasing the front width/grip will increase handling. too wide at rear will cause more understeer. on staggered setups you also want the front track to be wider than the rear for better handling, however this may not look as good in appearance.

EDIT your front offset(ET40) is slightly high and it would look and handle better if you used 7.5mm spacer on the front wheels.

[Mrgaxxl]

I am sorry if I didn't mention this before my car is gran coupe and it is RWD. Does this make any difference?
Thank you for your response.
Car also has power and sound kit so it has some more hp. Why do m4s have like 265 front and 295 back, because of more power, compared to my car?
What about if, in spring I decide for new setup ang go for 19s instead of 20s,
wgat option would be best.
I am sorry for so many questions, but I never owned rwd car befor or bmw, for that matter.

[alohasurftoad]

Originally Posted by Mrgaxxl

I am sorry if I didn't mention this before my car is gran coupe and it is RWD. Does this make any difference? Thank you for your response. Car also has power and sound kit so it has some more hp. Why do m4s have like 265 front and 295 back, because of more power, compared to my car? What about if, in spring I decide for new setup ang go for 19s instead of 20s, what option would be best. I am sorry for so many questions, but I never owned rwd car befor or bmw, for that matter.

your car being a gran coupe rwd doesn't make a difference

along with more hp, i would think BMW has the M4 suspension geometry, wheels and tires set up more aggressively to handle more hp and torque and it is also more track focused.

most passenger cars, including F3/4 series, are set up to understeer for safety. if you want more neutral handling there are various ways to accomplish this.

what option is best?, depends on what you are trying to achieve. right now 255 up front are good for cornering however since 255 is slightly wide on 8.5", it would be better if the tire sits square or slightly stretched such as a 9 or 9.5" with and offset around ET32/33 which is why i recommended the 7.5mm spacer.

for 19" i'd look for 8.5" or 9" ET32ish front and 9.5" or 10" ET42ish rear with these tire size combinations.
245/35/19-265/35/19
255/35/19-265/35/19
235/40/19-265/35/19

if you want more "launching" grip 255/35/19(or 245/35/19) front with 285/30/19 rear is fine also.

[Mrgaxxl]

Based on thoroughly checking all the information of forum and some on https://support.apexraceparts.com/ I have decided to go for
19's 9" and 10" with following tires
245/35/19-275/30/19 (maybe 285/30/19 since its closer to 26")
Wich I noticed are very popular.
I also notice that alohasurftoad suggested 245/40/19 and 275/35/19 on link bellow:
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...highlight=Sf07

how come they don't rub and the car is even lowered?
Since my car is not lowered could I go with simmilar setup?

On this post the user has the same setup and hes is rubbing.
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1676398

I know I have a lot of questions, but i am wodering how is it possible that one is rubing and the other is not. I

[alohasurftoad]

Originally Posted by Mrgaxxl

Based on thoroughly checking all the information of forum and some on https://support.apexraceparts.com/ I have decided to go for 19's 9" and 10" with following tires 245/35/19-275/30/19 (maybe 285/30/19 since its closer to 26") Which I noticed are very popular. I also notice that alohasurftoad suggested 245/40/19 and 275/35/19 on link bellow:
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...highlight=Sf07

how come they don't rub and the car is even lowered?
Since my car is not lowered could I go with similar setup?

On this post the user has the same setup and hes is rubbing.
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1676398

I know I have a lot of questions, but i am wondering how is it possible that one is rubbing and the other is not. I

the front tires rubbing the fenderwell liner while turning depends on the offset, tire diameter and "shoulder broadness"(square or round shoulders), which varies with brand and model of tire.

if the offset is too low, the scrub radius(distance from the steering axis to the wheel/tire centerline) increases and the wheel/tire moves through a bigger arc from the axis when turning the steering wheel. if you combine this with increased tire diameter and "square shoulders", it will rub the fenderwell liner while turning.

if you want to use 245/40/19 & 275/35/19 your front wheel offset should be ET30-35. ET40-45 should assure no rubbing at the rear during compression.

bmw22915 is using ET32 & ET42, rounded shouldered MPS4S and the slight additional negative camber from lowering mitigates tires from rubbing front or rear.

timhuang77 has vorsteiner v-ff 107, ET30 front(ET45 rear), stock suspension(less camber) and the 245/40/19 hankook shoulders appear very square, which is probably causing rubbing.
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[2nice18]

Originally Posted by alohasurftoad

the front tires rubbing the fenderwell liner while turning depends on the offset, tire diameter and "shoulder broadness"(square or round shoulders), which varies with brand and model of tire.

if the offset is too low, the scrub radius(distance from the steering axis to the wheel/tire centerline) increases and the wheel/tire moves through a bigger arc from the axis when turning the steering wheel. if you combine this with increased tire diameter and "square shoulders", it will rub the fenderwell liner while turning.

if you want to use 245/40/19 & 275/35/19 your front wheel offset should be ET30-35. ET40-45 should assure no rubbing at the rear during compression.

bmw22915 is using ET32 & ET42, rounded shouldered MPS4S and the slight additional negative camber from lowering mitigates tires from rubbing front or rear.

timhuang77 has vorsteiner v-ff 107, ET30 front(ET45 rear), stock suspension(less camber) and the 245/40/19 hankook shoulders appear very square, which is probably causing rubbing.
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Not to steal the thread but could you help me with the most aggressive set up I can have on a 2018 440i? I’m looking to get 19” wheels but have no idea what width and offset to get that flush look on H&R springs. Also need tire size to accomplish the aggressive flush low look

[alohasurftoad]

Originally Posted by 2nice18

Not to steal the thread but could you help me with the most aggressive set up I can have on a 2018 440i? I’m looking to get 19” wheels but have no idea what width and offset to get that flush look on H&R springs. Also need tire size to accomplish the aggressive flush low look

widest rear i've seen on a F30 is 295/30/19 at ET45, no rub. although F32's are dimensionally wider than F30's, the space within the fenderwell could be slightly different. depending on how broad the shoulders are of the tire you choose, i cannot guarantee non-interference. here is rays340i with the said setup...https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=85

widest, no guarantee at rear...8.5 or 9" ET30-35 with 255/35/19, 10-10.5" ET45 with 295/30/19

widest, no rub...i'd go with 19x8.5" or 9" ET30ish with 245/35/19 front, 19x10 ET40ish with 285/30/19 rear. here is aps F30 on 437m with 245/35/19 ET29, 285/30/19 ET40...https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=321
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