[BMW30_BLACK]

Mine will replace the steering rack. However I am really getting used to those strange vibrations (like i feel almost everything that goes through the steer - music, engine, road).

But Service Center agreed to replace the steering rack

[Henke77]

Any updates so far?

[P-Bass]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

I test drove two 328i's today at the BMW "Olympic" event. I felt the vibration in both cars. I told one of the staff about it after driving the first car. He blamed it on the lane departure warning system and showed me how to turn that off.

When I drove the second car I felt the vibration and turned off the system. I didn't feel the vibration again but I'm not convinced at all that turning off the LDS had anything to do with it.

Some people have mentioned unbalanced tires as a possible explanation but I seriously doubt it. The vibration I felt was almost like an electric buzz, and it came and went very quickly as if being turned on and off.

It may be a harmonic buzz coming from the engine or turbo and vibrating the steering rack or box. Obviously I'm not sure what is causing the vibration but out of balance tires have a different feeling ( I used to work in the wheel business).

Besides the weird buzzing in the wheel, I loved the car! I hope BMW gets this sorted out before I get my 2013 wagon!

Sounds like your LDS, if you drift even a little bit into the other lane or if someone is next to you or if you think you have enough room to change lanes it may not. Try driving a day or two with it off. I was surprised at how sensitive it is and now turn it off when not driving on a highway, around town it's too much for me.

[Frederik82]

I just test drove the F30 of a colleague. It had the same electronic vibrations as my car (F31). I also drove a loaner new 1 series and it had it also. So I'm afraid that it's "normal" and that it's related to the new electronic power steering system.
A technical inspector of BMW said that these vibrations are coming from road and engine.
But these vibrations shouldn't be there on such an expensive car!
There's a big difference in terms of steering compared to the E90, which had 100% vibrations-free steering.
Maybe BMW will come with a solution in the future but I don't think so, we'll have to live with it.

[vkoprivica]

Originally Posted by Frederik82

I just test drove the F30 of a colleague. It had the same electronic vibrations as my car (F31). I also drove a loaner new 1 series and it had it also. So I'm afraid that it's "normal" and that it's related to the new electronic power steering system.
A technical inspector of BMW said that these vibrations are coming from road and engine.
But these vibrations shouldn't be there on such an expensive car!
There's a big difference in terms of steering compared to the E90, which had 100% vibrations-free steering.
Maybe BMW will come with a solution in the future but I don't think so, we'll have to live with it.

What year cars you drowe were make?

[Frederik82]

Originally Posted by vkoprivica

What year cars you drowe were make?

Mine (F31 320D): October 2012
Colleagues car (F30 320D): January 2012
Loaner 1 series (F20 116D): not sure, it had 30.000 km on the counter so I think somewhere in 2012.
--> all 3 of them have the same electronic vibrations in the steering wheel at all speeds.

[xit2050]

Originally Posted by Frederik82

--> all 3 of them have the same electronic vibrations in the steering wheel at all speeds.

We're not talking about the same vibration then... Most people's vibrations are between 70 and 100 km/h. Nothing at slower or faster speeds.

[Beem320]

Originally Posted by mocohead

I was looking at the post very early in the F30 release, where the suspension parts of the E90 and F30 were compared with the F30 on the lift. It is interesting to note that the front lower control arm on the F30 (part number 31126852991) is the same shape as that of the E90 (part numbers 31126770849 and 31126770850). However, on the E90 the rear bushing was rubber and on the F30 that bushing is solid. BMW probably did that to give the steering more feel so enthusiasts would not complain about the steering.

What I would consider doing is buying a set of control arms from the E90 and bolting them in. They are listed as $114.04 each from Realoem. It is a very easy job and can be done with hand tools on the driveway. If that solves the issue, you are a happy F30 owner! Or try the E90 M3 control arm (part numbers 31102283577 and 31102283578) which is a little longer and get yourself some extra negative camber in front and also list at $114.03 from realoem.

There is historical precedent for this. Past BMW's have had steering wheel shimmies and using the control arm from another model solved it (I think the E28 5-series switched to the 7-series arm for example).

My 320i also experiencing the steering oscillation around 70-90kmh. No vibration outside this range . For me it looks like problem with the Drive shaft or related mechanism. Either misaligned or design problem. I feel more oscillation under load. I have asked my dealer to investigate it.

[BMW30_BLACK]

Sadly have to return to the thread !
I had my steering rack replaced. It took off the visible vibrations as long as electric ones. The drive was fine.

However, now, I had a software replacement with another dealer (inserting webasto heater) and after that electric vibrations came back.

Frederik, have you done something with your vibrations ?

[BavarianFanatic]

What the hell is an "electronic vibration"?

[drob23]

Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic

What the hell is an "electronic vibration"?

Assuming he means an induced oscillation from the feedback controller that regulates rack assist. Some of these EPS systems have controllers built in to identify a periodic disturbance, like nibble from improperly balanced wheel, and smooth it out at the steering wheel. It's conceivable a sensor could go, or software bug be present, such that the controller reacts to a disturbance that doesn't exist. Thus, creating a "vibration" for no reason.

See - http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090125186

[BavarianFanatic]

Originally Posted by drob23

Assuming he means an induced oscillation from the feedback controller that regulates rack assist. Some of these EPS systems have controllers built in to identify a periodic disturbance, like nibble from improperly balanced wheel, and smooth it out at the steering wheel. It's conceivable a sensor could go, or software bug be present, such that the controller reacts to a disturbance that doesn't exist. Thus, creating a "vibration" for no reason.

See - http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090125186

I have a feeling he's referring to an oscillation that's visible if you completely let go of the wheel as folks had previously complained about. It's not a vibration if that's the case.

[BMW30_BLACK]

I mean i feel the engine when holding my steer.
Vibrations from the engine.

[Cup o' Joe]

Originally Posted by xit2050

We're not talking about the same vibration then... Most people's vibrations are between 70 and 100 km/h. Nothing at slower or faster speeds.

could that speed range be causing some type of resonant frequency?

Also what kind of tires do people have. I remember hearing something from a friend about Continental tires causing similar problems (vibration and inability to track straight) on Mercedes. I believe I also remember reading earlier in this thread about non-RFTs with aftermarket wheels as a solution for non DHP cars.

I'm on stock Continental 17" RFT, and note a 1-2 second long pulsing type vibration (on and off every second or so) above 40 mph. Is that similar to what people are experiencing?

[BMW30_BLACK]

Originally Posted by Cup o' Joe

could that speed range be causing some type of resonant frequency?

Also what kind of tires do people have. I remember hearing something from a friend about Continental tires causing similar problems (vibration and inability to track straight) on Mercedes. I believe I also remember reading earlier in this thread about non-RFTs with aftermarket wheels as a solution for non DHP cars.

I'm on stock Continental 17" RFT, and note a 1-2 second long pulsing type vibration (on and off every second or so) above 40 mph. Is that similar to what people are experiencing?

I have a slight vibration at about 60-80km/h

[BMW30_BLACK]

Seems no fix from the official dealer, they say that they do not see that there is vibration. Is there a independent test to see if there is one or not. ?

[Frederik82]

Originally Posted by BMW30_BLACK

Frederik, have you done something with your vibrations ?

Hi,

No, I haven't, the vibration are still there, especially between 100 and 140 km/h, it's still driving me nuts . My PUMA case has been closed some months ago. The technical inspector said that those vibration were road and engine feedback. They replaced the wheel bearings, did a software update of the complete car and a re-alignment of the wheels.

[joedimarzio]

I have the same vibrations issues on my 320i 8AT.
At 90mph, the entire cabin or chassis starts to vibrate, but the vibration is even worse on the drivers seat (I guess the others seats vibrate the same) and the funny thing is that vibrations disappear for a few seconds en then comes back again. My car has 27,200 miles an I remember it has the same feeling when I picked it up from the dealership. I have no idea what to do...

regards,

[roxxor]

Unfortunately I get to jump in on this discussion. 2013 328i M-Sport, 10,5XX on the odometer. For about the past 1000 miles or so, I've been noticing that at around 35-50 mph, it feels like there is a vibration in the steering and the car from the front left(driver's side) area. I also notice (forgive my method of explaining this) a "wooh-wooh-wooh" sound coming for the front accompanying the vibration

First thought was that a wheel was off balance, so I went today and had the wheels balanced and rotated. Still running stock 18" 400m with Continental RFT's. Did not solve the problem, so I know it isn't a tire/wheel issue.

I plan to contact the dealer to set up an appointment, is there anything specific I should mention or ask for about a resolution, or is this a part of the "gonna have to live with it" problem?

[Cup o' Joe]

Originally Posted by drob23

Assuming he means an induced oscillation from the feedback controller that regulates rack assist. Some of these EPS systems have controllers built in to identify a periodic disturbance, like nibble from improperly balanced wheel, and smooth it out at the steering wheel. It's conceivable a sensor could go, or software bug be present, such that the controller reacts to a disturbance that doesn't exist. Thus, creating a "vibration" for no reason.

See - http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090125186

I remember reading that Audi was having a similar problem (fake feedback) with the introduction of EPS on the A4/A5 models. Using VCDS, I believe people were able to disable this function.

Any option of trying something similar on our cars?

[Cup o' Joe]

Originally Posted by roxxor

I plan to contact the dealer to set up an appointment, is there anything specific I should mention or ask for about a resolution, or is this a part of the "gonna have to live with it" problem?

Just describe what you are feeling. I brought mine in for steering wheel vibrations (both felt and visible if you look at the steering wheel). Dealer said it was "normal operation of the vehicle." Another dealership did a realignment, and problem persists. Seems to be "normal."

[Danman5666]

I am having the same issue with my 2014 F30. While I believe I had some bad tires, I still have this steering wheel shake between 45 to 50.

I really have nothing to compare to except my E90 - but the I feel like I can feel something out of round with these Continental SSRs on the 18's (Sport Package). Anyone else have this issue? Something that gets better?