[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

Simply not the case! Wagner is proven on a road course hence why I bought it.
Vendor claims that he has a better product than most at half the price which is great but lets see the data.

If so then its a product that will do well for the price in comparison to the more expensive offerings with the data to back it up.

I don't have my old jb4 logs from my time attack runs. I did win B3 class in Bimmer Challenge in a field of 8 or 9 competitors though at Big Willow. So when you talk about proven road course performance; I actually proved it for myself. I've been tracking for 15 years, but probably won't track the BMW much anymore.

Here are some of my recent logs. The old original VRSF IC I'm running is good for a few degree drops at the start of WOT pulls, but it can't compete against their new offerings on a FBO+tune car running 16+psi to redline. I'm waiting for their latest offering to drop. My choice is finding the right mix of cooling and added weight over the nose of the car. I'm leaning towards a PS2 or larger upgrade this year hence my renewed interest in a new IC.

Originally Posted by Anthony235

FBO (no cat).

My most recent log from today. I plan on getting the VRSF Race IC next. I bought their original street IC back in the day. I believe my IAT are causing my timing to not be as clean as it could be when I do very long pulls.

3rd through 6th gear pull on 8at. Should be about ~140mph when I let off.
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5b09b67dd10b432f2edcca10

And another older log.
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5b009370d10b4354bbc029fd

Oh and here is the road course time as listed on the M3/M4 laptime post.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1144972
Willow Springs (Big Willow)
1:30.6 TheKosherStogie M2 (RE71, XP12/10, KWCS)
1:32.4 TheKosherStogie M2 (KWCS)
1:33.976 Anthony235 M235i (RE71R, RS29, KWCS)
1:34.70 atermechi M4 (RS3, Carbotech, TC Kline coilovers)
1:34.90 Colatkitty M3
1:35.010 nlakind M3 (AD08, KW CS)
1:35.1xx Shmelgy M3 6MT (R888,KWCS)
1:35.3 YMB_M3 6MT (NT01,RS29,TCK DA)
1:36.456 Jorgem2009 (R888)
1:37.7 CPWINCH M4 (TC Kline)
1:38.24 krnnerdboy M3
1:39.463 nlakind M3
1:39.764 Brian135i M3 6MT
1:41.08 ZAGA_M3 (NT01, RS29, KW DDC)
1:44.60 nicknaz M3

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Here are some of my recent logs. The old original VRSF IC I'm running is good for a few degree drops at the start of WOT pulls, but it can't compete against their new offerings on a FBO+tune car running 16+psi to redline. I'm waiting for their latest offering to drop. My choice is finding the right mix of cooling and added weight over the nose of the car. I'm leaning towards a PS2 or larger upgrade this year hence my renewed interest in a new IC.

Thanks for this post and actual test. With the new VRSF offerings will be great to see if the denser fin is an overall improvement. Hopefully the quality will be there to match as well.

[jh_f30]

Tiago@VRSF I'm willing to offer my car as a test vehicle for fitment and performance. FMIC will complement my VRSF chargepipe and downpipe nicely!

[lens]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

I don't have my old jb4 logs from my time attack runs. I did win B3 class in Bimmer Challenge in a field of 8 or 9 competitors though at Big Willow. So when you talk about proven road course performance; I actually proved it for myself. I've been tracking for 15 years, but probably won't track the BMW much anymore.

Here are some of my recent logs. The old original VRSF IC I'm running is good for a few degree drops at the start of WOT pulls, but it can't compete against their new offerings on a FBO+tune car running 16+psi to redline. I'm waiting for their latest offering to drop. My choice is finding the right mix of cooling and added weight over the nose of the car. I'm leaning towards a PS2 or larger upgrade this year hence my renewed interest in a new IC.



And another older log.
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5b009370d10b4354bbc029fd

Oh and here is the road course time as listed on the M3/M4 laptime post.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1144972
Willow Springs (Big Willow)
1:30.6 TheKosherStogie M2 (RE71, XP12/10, KWCS)
1:32.4 TheKosherStogie M2 (KWCS)
1:33.976 Anthony235 M235i (RE71R, RS29, KWCS)
1:34.70 atermechi M4 (RS3, Carbotech, TC Kline coilovers)
1:34.90 Colatkitty M3
1:35.010 nlakind M3 (AD08, KW CS)
1:35.1xx Shmelgy M3 6MT (R888,KWCS)
1:35.3 YMB_M3 6MT (NT01,RS29,TCK DA)
1:36.456 Jorgem2009 (R888)
1:37.7 CPWINCH M4 (TC Kline)
1:38.24 krnnerdboy M3
1:39.463 nlakind M3
1:39.764 Brian135i M3 6MT
1:41.08 ZAGA_M3 (NT01, RS29, KW DDC)
1:44.60 nicknaz M3

If you are getting PS2, the temps will get even worst. The race fmic should keep it in check. I have the CTS turbo fmic with ps2 and the times up top skyrocket. DME pulls timing at 107F IAT.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

Simply not the case! Wagner is proven on a road course hence why I bought it.
Vendor claims that he has a better product than most at half the price which is great but lets see the data.

If so then its a product that will do well for the price in comparison to the more expensive offerings with the data to back it up. Hopefully the quality will be there too.

Your Wagner is a great intercooler, I'm glad you're enjoying it.

W'ere not interested in creating any sort of conflict and we're not trying to spark up any drama in this thread but I'd be up for a friendly debate about intercoolers via PM if you're interested!

As far as the new mid sized option we're releasing, it's designed for the guys interested in upgrading their turbos like the PS2 who need to keep intake temps in check without sacrificing flow.

[deepghosh]

Originally Posted by Tiago@VRSF

The only addition to the lineup is our new intercooler to bridge the gap in size between the street intercooler and the race.

Volume and pricing will be released once these are closer to production!

So how does the new higher dense pack street IC compare to the existing street HD IC? Just wondering as I recently purchased a street HD a few weeks back

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by Tiago@VRSF

Your Wagner is a great intercooler, I'm glad you're enjoying it.

W'ere not interested in creating any sort of conflict and we're not trying to spark up any drama in this thread but I'd be up for a friendly debate about intercoolers via PM if you're interested!

As far as the new mid sized option we're releasing, it's designed for the guys interested in upgrading their turbos like the PS2 who need to keep intake temps in check without sacrificing flow.

That's me! I assume it will weigh less than the full Race IC?

[lens]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

That's me! I assume it will weigh less than the full Race IC?

If you're doing lapping or circuit, I highly recommend the Race FMIC. The extended time on the track at summer temps, you will absolutely need a fmic like that especially since you're going PS2. If you're running meth, you can gey away with the other fmic, but if just pump, race fmic.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by chaungo

If you're doing lapping or circuit, I highly recommend the Race FMIC. The extended time on the track at summer temps, you will absolutely need a fmic like that especially since you're going PS2. If you're running meth, you can gey away with the other fmic, but if just pump, race fmic.

Agreed, but I don't think I'll be tracking the car much anymore. Hunting laptimes can get stressful and expensive Also I think the race IC is geared toward high HP and drag cars (more so than road course).

I think the new VRSF IC that's about to drop will be a good middle ground between cooling/weight/radiator air flow. I could ultimately end up with the race one though. Waiting for more info

I think if it can handle my stock turbo @16psi to redline it will handle a PS2 fine. I wonder if a stock maxed out turbo actually runs hotter IAT than a PS2 at the same boost....it probably does?

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by deepghosh

So how does the new higher dense pack street IC compare to the existing street HD IC? Just wondering as I recently purchased a street HD a few weeks back

The HD is still the densest available at about 20 fins per inch

[Jimi1121]

What is recommended for maxing out a stock turbo, sprinted driving ?

[lens]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Agreed, but I don't think I'll be tracking the car much anymore. Hunting laptimes can get stressful and expensive Also I think the race IC is geared toward high HP and drag cars (more so than road course).

I think the new VRSF IC that's about to drop will be a good middle ground between cooling/weight/radiator air flow. I could ultimately end up with the race one though. Waiting for more info

I think if it can handle my stock turbo @16psi to redline it will handle a PS2 fine. I wonder if a stock maxed out turbo actually runs hotter IAT than a PS2 at the same boost....it probably does?

PS2 will 100% run hotter at any psi vs stock turbo same psi. The turbine wheel is essentially double the size of stock turbo.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by Jimi1121

What is recommended for maxing out a stock turbo, sprinted driving ?

The 5" will be your best bet for the stock turbo if you're not planning on racing. If any racing is involved you'd be better off waiting for our new mid tier intercooler

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by chaungo

PS2 will 100% run hotter at any psi vs stock turbo same psi. The turbine wheel is essentially double the size of stock turbo.

Double the size, but not working as hard for the same level of boost?

Or perhaps it's more correct to say that the PS2 runs cooler for the same amount of HP.

OEM turbo @400hp is hotter than Ps2 @400hp (less boost=less heat, same HP).

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by chaungo

PS2 will 100% run hotter at any psi vs stock turbo same psi. The turbine wheel is essentially double the size of stock turbo.

Explain? PS2 has bigger Turbine wheel and Compressor wheel,moving more air and at same psi will run hotter?

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Double the size, but not working as hard for the same level of boost?

Or perhaps it's more correct to say that the PS2 runs cooler for the same amount of HP.

OEM turbo @400hp is hotter than Ps2 @400hp (less boost=less heat, same HP).

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the right answer right there!!

[samsont]

I got the new VRSF 5" street intercooler and also their charge pipe. The intercooler was easy to install except the fan shroud doesn't seem to fit the tabs. I had to cut off the part I circled in red.

[louielouie]

Originally Posted by samsont

I got the new VRSF 5" street intercooler and also their charge pipe. The intercooler was easy to install except the fan shroud doesn't seem to fit the tabs. I had to cut off the part I circled in red.

Attachment 1834416

Yikes.

Hoping to hear the answer to this if it's a larger scale issue. I'm getting mine installed tomorrow.

[SkylineGT]

VRSF Intercooler FMIC Upgrade Kit 12-18 F20 & F30 228i/M235i/M2/328i/335i/428i/435i N20 N55
Model Number: F30-FMIC

This is the one you were talking about?

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by samsont

I got the new VRSF 5" street intercooler and also their charge pipe. The intercooler was easy to install except the fan shroud doesn't seem to fit the tabs. I had to cut off the part I circled in red.

Attachment 1834416

+1

same thing here. HD model.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by samsont

I got the new VRSF 5" street intercooler and also their charge pipe. The intercooler was easy to install except the fan shroud doesn't seem to fit the tabs. I had to cut off the part I circled in red.

Attachment 1834416

E-mail us with your order number & I'll be happy to verify!

[louielouie]

Originally Posted by PLF69

+1

same thing here. HD model.

+1 for fitment issue. New 5" street

Had to bend the tabs back to get the fan fitted....