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      03-15-2017, 03:33 AM   #1
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Can cold air intake cause problems?

Can cold air intake cause engine issues or develop problems ? Also what would be really good One to buy?
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Depends on the type of cold air intake...a closed one probably wouldn't, but an open one might. There have been some reports of MAF difficulties using aftermarket intakes, requiring disconnecting the sensor to avoid CEL and codes. Since the stock intake is actually a cold-air type, you might be better off buying either a K&N or AFE higher-flow drop-in filter element.
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      03-15-2017, 10:11 AM   #3
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Can cold air intake cause engine issues or develop problems ? Also what would be really good One to buy?
There are lots of users out there without issues. There are a few cars that don't seem to like any intake. The BMS intake is pretty popular with hundreds of them out in the wild.

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Can cold air intake cause engine issues or develop problems ? Also what would be really good One to buy?
My experience with the BMS intake (along with many others on the forums) was getting a CEL from the MAF sensor while driving. I also had a very rough start up on occasions, and uneven idle for a minute as the car searched for the proper idle after driving. These all seemed to be related to the MAF sensor, but in my opinion, I would rather leave all sensors connected to the engine as I cannot see a reason why they would be in place if there was not some sort of importance to them. The issues I experienced were all within a week of driving, and therefore I sold the intake and bought a K&N drop in filter. This is just my personal experience though. One tip, no offense to anyone on here, but take advice for buying parts from people who aren't trying to sell them to you, as there can be some slight biases.
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I've had my AFE Magnum intake (Open) for around 3 months now, not one problem. If it ever did cause any issues, I would have thrown it right away. I also don't believe in simply unplugging a sensor.
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Can cold air intake cause engine issues or develop problems ? Also what would be really good One to buy?
the MAF sensor likely has a threshold signal above which it will toss a CEL likely to protect against stock AFR from being too lean
so the trick is to find an intake upgrade which across the operating range of your setup which wont
some people (like me) just start off with a drop-in hi-flo filter like K&N
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I've had the AFE Stage 2 MagnumForce Intake (Pro 5r Oil) for over a month now with no problems at all. It's an open one and I thought it would give me issues but my 335 runs smooth with it and I left the MAF sensor plugged in. It looks great too.
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I put an aFe intake on my N52 and that is when EVERYTHING involving the air sensor and rough idle started to happen. Never putting a non-closed / oiled intake on my car again for as long as i live.
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I have the same air intake. The first and second gear seems to shift much slower than other gear when operate in automatic drive/mode. Anyone, have the same problem? But with the manufacture air intake the car shift much faster in first and second gear.
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Kind of see know reason to do an intake-looks cool in the engine bay, but there are so many other mods more worthy of spending money on.
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Any maf issues would arise if the filter has too much oil. The oil will cause the maf to malfunction. Dry filters are much better.
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Kind of see know reason to do an intake-looks cool in the engine bay, but there are so many other mods more worthy of spending money on.
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I have the BMS intake and have had no issues. There is little to no performance benefit, but the sound is nice.
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If you're worried about the errors, the drop ins work well.
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My experience with the BMS intake (along with many others on the forums) was getting a CEL from the MAF sensor while driving. I also had a very rough start up on occasions, and uneven idle for a minute as the car searched for the proper idle after driving. These all seemed to be related to the MAF sensor, but in my opinion, I would rather leave all sensors connected to the engine as I cannot see a reason why they would be in place if there was not some sort of importance to them. The issues I experienced were all within a week of driving, and therefore I sold the intake and bought a K&N drop in filter. This is just my personal experience though. One tip, no offense to anyone on here, but take advice for buying parts from people who aren't trying to sell them to you, as there can be some slight biases.
I agree 1000% with this man. The stock intake setup is efficient with a drop in. Anything else IMOP is a waste of $$ and time stated over and over again, lest you build a custom Ram air setup through the front grill or headlight.
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I have the BMS intake and have a rough idol every start up everyday, tried unplugging the MAF and it lasted 2 weeks then got a CEL. driving me nuts time to go back to stock...will buy one if anyone has one avail...
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Well for the 18th time if you're looking for an intake I highly recommend CTS Turbo. I have had it on my car for almost a year and 12,000 miles and not one problem or CEL at all ! Not to mention the sound! It's amazing! You can hear the diverter valve whoosh! You will not be disappointed. And ad far as not having any performance advantages I'm not really sure what you guys are taking about as I'm in the MHD beta and my logs prove otherwise. Here's an actual quote of a fellow beta tester on my logs.

"Ah that's interesting as I noted the MAF values are higher than my car generates on the stg2+ map at circa 35f ambient. I was wondering if there was an aftermarket intake fitted with a slightly different CSA"

I'll also attach some times I just ran.
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Well for the 18th time if you're looking for an intake I highly recommend CTS Turbo. I have had it on my car for almost a year and 12,000 miles and not one problem or CEL at all ! Not to mention the sound! It's amazing! You can hear the diverter valve whoosh! You will not be disappointed.
I agree. I have this intake as well and the noise is addicting. Its not too overpowering and sounds great. No CEL for me as well and passed inspection for NYS without issue. Thinking of upgrading to the GFB diverter once i go BM3 now that ive watched raichean DIY on it.
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They all seem to be hit or miss but the misses are a lot more rare then the success stories.

A lot of forum talk only brings the bad and not as much as the good.

Injen is probably are most popular seller next to BMS.
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Another +1 for CTS Turbo, they advertise that it would not cause a CEL and it did not. Very satisfied with my purchase. The sound is very loud but also very addicting to say the least. If you leave the RPM at 3000 and just tap the gas and let go, you get that turbo spooling sound with every tap.
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If you have open face intake without a tune, you might experience a rough idle but it wont cause any engine damage
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If you have open face intake without a tune, you might experience a rough idle but it wont cause any engine damage
I have the BMS Intake.....I would say 1 out of every 15 starts I get a 8 second rough idle. Really only on cold start.

Mike@x-ph.com Is this due to the slight difference in MAF sensor location, or is it a flow difference?

How would a tune fix this issue? AFR adjustments?
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