Another F30 N20 Blown Motor Thread :(

the heed bubba · 02-20-2020, 03:29 PM

My timing chain broke in Sept 2018, causing a full engine replacement. I did not file a lawsuit because somebody at BMW told me to file a formal compliant with them. I called BMW back today to check in and the guy had no idea what i was talking about. Am i SOL at this point?

OUGrad05 · 02-20-2020, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the heed bubba

My timing chain broke in Sept 2018, causing a full engine replacement. I did not file a lawsuit because somebody at BMW told me to file a formal compliant with them. I called BMW back today to check in and the guy had no idea what i was talking about. Am i SOL at this point?

You waited 18 months to follow up? WTF

penet05 · 02-20-2020, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PK2348

The thing is, at the current stage this issue is “alleged”, therefore reduced market value argument can’t really stick. Not until it’s proven.

I had almost traded the car in before my chain went. I had gone to a Subaru dealer and had the car appraised for trade in. The funny thing is they sent me to Car Sense to have them appraise it and would add $500 to their value. So I did, since it was down the street. Car Sense offered me $1200 for the car. The reason it was so low was because of a 'known engine defect'.

Something is off. They just did not want to buy it. I was offered 7K from Carmax just yesterday for a 2013 one.

floridaorange · 02-20-2020, 07:23 PM

My 2013 320i with a blown engine and 2 wrecks on its record fetched $5k in trade in value.

Carmax can pound sand!

the heed bubba · 02-21-2020, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OUGrad05

You waited 18 months to follow up? WTF

I had been following the suit, and knew not much had been happening. I was under the impression that i would be compensated per a recall at the end, but now i am worried they are going to pull more shit.

PK2348 · 02-21-2020, 10:30 AM

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Oh I get it... I try to post just facts. In this case, Car Sense told me that there was a known engine defect which is why they were offering such a low number. Hell, BMW themselves only offered me 1300 for it as a trade in!

BMW has lots of money to beat people into submission in a court system. I am just hopeful that the 'system' will work fairly in this case. They need to bare some responsibility. If these chains were failing after a maintenance schedule time frame then I would say that there would be no case here if it was not performed by a genuine BMW service center and even then it likely wouldn't hold up much.

We shall see, hopefully sooner than later. I'll be out of my 528 for a year in April and still have two years worth of payments to make.

The 'system' never works for little people, that it by design.
Your case is really unfortunate, however inaction on your part does not seem reasonable. Why not spend 5k or so putting in a "new" engine and continue using the car. Look at it this way, for 5k you can have a pretty decent daily 5er.
Keep all records, use reputable shop. If anything comes out from the lawsuit good for you, but keeping the car bricked does not do any good to anyone.

PK2348 · 02-21-2020, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by the heed bubba

I had been following the suit, and knew not much had been happening. I was under the impression that i would be compensated per a recall at the end, but now i am worried they are going to pull more shit.

so join in the lawsuit, what is the problem?

1N54E92 · 02-21-2020, 12:44 PM

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Sold it for $300

I'm guessing my oem axleback and oem intercooler are scrap?

Yes, OEM mufflers are scraps, they told me .01 per pound , 25 lbs ? must exceed $1 before they pay out .

1N54E92 · 02-21-2020, 12:46 PM

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Completely agree with that. Something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay. I am sure they did not want to take the risk of having to repair the car if it fails under their warranty time period. I give kudos to the appraiser for being aware of the engine concern. I did not even know about it until he told me, however I did little due diligence when I bought the car. Shame on me.

On the other hand, I feel that this backs up the claim that the cars with this engine type have loss value more than industry standards because of the defect.

it seems like the value of n20/n26 F30 have dropped over 60% in last 12 months or so .

Steve, thanks for posting this info on FB. Appreciate it !

RMachuca3d · 02-21-2020, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1N54E92

it seems like the value of n20/n26 F30 have dropped over 60% in last 12 months or so .

Steve, thanks for posting this info on FB. Appreciate it !

I've been tracking depreciation, its depreciating faster than i'm paying it off lol, thats just plain insane and depressing.

AtlantaDan · 02-21-2020, 02:39 PM

Be glad you didn't buy a 7 or 8, or an s-class.

sjbender · 02-21-2020, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PK2348

The 'system' never works for little people, that it by design.
Your case is really unfortunate, however inaction on your part does not seem reasonable. Why not spend 5k or so putting in a "new" engine and continue using the car. Look at it this way, for 5k you can have a pretty decent daily 5er.
Keep all records, use reputable shop. If anything comes out from the lawsuit good for you, but keeping the car bricked does not do any good to anyone.

I am fortunate enough to have two other cars to use while this car sits. I am not going to dump more money into the 528 until I see the settlement of the class action suit. Other than still making monthly payments, the car is costing me nothing to sit... If the suit fails and it's not covered than I will go to an indy shop and have a new engine put in if I can find a decent price. The dealers wants $18,000 for a new engine.

Pauloxxi · 02-23-2020, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 1N54E92

it seems like the value of n20/n26 F30 have dropped over 60% in last 12 months or so . !

It would be interesting to show the estimated selling price comparison between BMW with and without N20 engines It is well known these cars reduce price drastically after 4 or 5 years when the warranty expires.

ipad · 02-24-2020, 04:24 AM

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It would be interesting to show the estimated selling price comparison between BMW with and without N20 engines It is well known these cars reduce price drastically after 4 or 5 years when the warranty expires.

I don't think it will significantly affect the used car price. Most of the peoples buying cars without doing any serious research.

sjbender · 02-24-2020, 09:27 PM

Full docket text for document 61:
Letter from Gary S. Graifman. (Attachments: # (1) Exhibit to Letter to Judge Cathy L. Waldor)(GRAIFMAN, GARY)

Full docket text for document 62:

February 24, 2020
VIA CM/ECF
Hon. Cathy L. Waldor U.S.M.J.
United States District Court
For the District of New Jersey
Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Building
& United States Courthouse
50 Walnut Street
Newark, New Jersey 07102

Re: Gelis, et al v. Bayerische Motoren Werke Aktiengesellschaft, et al,
Civil Action No. 2:17-cv-7386 (SDW)(CLW)

Dear Judge Waldor:

We represent Defendant BMW of North America, LLC (BMW NA) in this matter.
Pursuant to the Court’s February 14, 2020 Order, we submit this letter to identify BMW NA’s
view of outstanding discovery that remains to be completed.
The parties had exchanged written discovery before going to mediation. Plaintiffs’
responses are deficient, both in the content of Plaintiffs’ interrogatory answers and the dearth of
documents produced. We will meet and confer with Plaintiffs’ counsel regarding these
deficiencies.

Additionally, we will have to conduct Plaintiffs’ depositions and arrange for inspections
of their vehicles. Because there are twenty Plaintiffs in this case, from fourteen different states,
the time to complete such depositions and inspections will take significantly longer than the
thirty days the Court proposed.

Finally, since this is a product-defect class action, the parties will necessarily be
conducting expert discovery once fact discovery is concluded.

Thank you for your courtesies.

Very truly yours,
/s/ Christopher J. Dalton
Christopher J. Dalton
CJD/ajd

obert · 02-24-2020, 09:48 PM

So what? They need more evidence that this is an issue from complaining parties.

sjbender · 02-24-2020, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by obert

So what? They need more evidence that this is an issue from complaining parties.

I'm no lawyer but as a layman it reads to me...

BMW - Judge, they don't know what they are doing. We didnt get the information we asked for and when we do we want to talk to each person and look at their cars too.

Uuummmmm... The cars were likely fixed many years ago, nothing to see. I hope the judge says no, you have 30 days! Get it done.

sspade · 02-25-2020, 08:02 AM

Sounds to me like:

They are going to depose all 20 plaintiffs and arrange for inspections of each of their vehicles...

And this is only the Fact Discovery phase... once complete they will move on to Expert Discovery phase...

There will be no conclusion this year, Im calling it. See y'all in 2021 ✌️

sjbender · 02-25-2020, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sspade

Sounds to me like:

They are going to depose all 20 plaintiffs and arrange for inspections of each of their vehicles...

And this is only the Fact Discovery phase... once complete they will move on to Expert Discovery phase...

There will be no conclusion this year, Im calling it. See y'all in 2021 ✌️

Take that back! LOL

jkwhar · 02-25-2020, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sjbender

Take that back! LOL

I give up waiting on this. I have all the tools but looks like I'll continue and buy the parts.

Anyone need complete tool to complete this job? For sale once I'm done

sjbender · 02-25-2020, 03:31 PM

The MINI case was filed on 3/12/2013 and settled on 7/26/2016.

The N20 case was filed on 9/22/2017.

MINI case took 3 years, 4 months and 25 days to settle.

As of 2/25/2020 the N20 case has lasted 2 years, 5 months, 24 days.

There would still be 11 months and 11 days left if the case lasted the same duration.

Pauloxxi · 02-25-2020, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sjbender

The MINI case was filed on 3/12/2013 and settled on 7/26/2016.

What was the MINI case? Similar engine issue?

02-20-2020, 03:29 PM	#397
the heed bubba Registered 0 Rep 2 Posts Drives: BMW X3 Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Baltimore iTrader: (0)	My timing chain broke in Sept 2018, causing a full engine replacement. I did not file a lawsuit because somebody at BMW told me to file a formal compliant with them. I called BMW back today to check in and the guy had no idea what i was talking about. Am i SOL at this point?
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AtlantaDan Private 65 Rep 70 Posts Drives: 2017 330i Msport Touring Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	Be glad you didn't buy a 7 or 8, or an s-class.
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02-24-2020, 09:27 PM	#411
sjbender Private First Class 141 Rep 145 Posts Drives: '01 E46, '13 F10 (TC failed) Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Delaware iTrader: (0)	Full docket text for document 61: Letter from Gary S. Graifman. (Attachments: # (1) Exhibit to Letter to Judge Cathy L. Waldor)(GRAIFMAN, GARY) Full docket text for document 62: February 24, 2020 VIA CM/ECF Hon. Cathy L. Waldor U.S.M.J. United States District Court For the District of New Jersey Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Building & United States Courthouse 50 Walnut Street Newark, New Jersey 07102 Re: Gelis, et al v. Bayerische Motoren Werke Aktiengesellschaft, et al, Civil Action No. 2:17-cv-7386 (SDW)(CLW) Dear Judge Waldor: We represent Defendant BMW of North America, LLC (BMW NA) in this matter. Pursuant to the Court’s February 14, 2020 Order, we submit this letter to identify BMW NA’s view of outstanding discovery that remains to be completed. The parties had exchanged written discovery before going to mediation. Plaintiffs’ responses are deficient, both in the content of Plaintiffs’ interrogatory answers and the dearth of documents produced. We will meet and confer with Plaintiffs’ counsel regarding these deficiencies. Additionally, we will have to conduct Plaintiffs’ depositions and arrange for inspections of their vehicles. Because there are twenty Plaintiffs in this case, from fourteen different states, the time to complete such depositions and inspections will take significantly longer than the thirty days the Court proposed. Finally, since this is a product-defect class action, the parties will necessarily be conducting expert discovery once fact discovery is concluded. Thank you for your courtesies. Very truly yours, /s/ Christopher J. Dalton Christopher J. Dalton CJD/ajd
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obert Brigadier General 1781 Rep 4,456 Posts Drives: 2013 328i Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Seattle Wa iTrader: (49)	So what? They need more evidence that this is an issue from complaining parties.
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sspade Major General 2465 Rep 5,457 Posts Drives: F30 Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Stevenson, WA iTrader: (3) Garage List 2016 BMW 320i [7.87] 2014 BMW 328i [6.83]	Sounds to me like: They are going to depose all 20 plaintiffs and arrange for inspections of each of their vehicles... And this is only the Fact Discovery phase... once complete they will move on to Expert Discovery phase... There will be no conclusion this year, Im calling it. See y'all in 2021 ✌️
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02-25-2020, 03:31 PM	#417
sjbender Private First Class 141 Rep 145 Posts Drives: '01 E46, '13 F10 (TC failed) Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Delaware iTrader: (0)	The MINI case was filed on 3/12/2013 and settled on 7/26/2016. The N20 case was filed on 9/22/2017. MINI case took 3 years, 4 months and 25 days to settle. As of 2/25/2020 the N20 case has lasted 2 years, 5 months, 24 days. There would still be 11 months and 11 days left if the case lasted the same duration.
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