[whitewidow]

Originally Posted by NealfromNZ

With Mobridge for augmented HK system you can do the following

Run all HK speakers passive

Or

Drop either centre channel or rear door speakers and run a trunk sub.

Or what I’ve done.

Note , I’m quite oldschool with music so prefer the sound infront, No centre speaker and minimal sound from rear.

Active front door speakers (75 rms / 150 watts )
Underseat woofers ( 150rms / 300 watts )
Passive rear doors ( 75rms / 150 watts
Trunk sub ( 400 rms / 800 watt )

I’ve set the dsp up in the following manner.

DSP map 1 ( surround setting ON on Idrive ) map for all passenger

DSP map 2 ( surround setting OFF on Idrive ) drives seat tune , front speaker bias

Audio routing

Music sinks ( stereo on BMW ) , all speakers

Voice calls sinks , Front speakers

Nav / voice commands / chime sinks Drivers side speakers

PDC sinks , factory surround

Factory control of fader and HK eq functions

For now I just want to run all the stock hk speaker as they are except I will replace the under seat subs with earthquakes. Then add a 10" sub in the rear. Sounds like going with the Mobridge would fit my needs nicely.

[N54S63tu]

Originally Posted by phc77

Hello,
I am still looking for a solution to use the MATCH UP 10DSP with fully active front and center 2-way channels.
For this, all bass will be routed to the RCA line out and will be handled by a 4 channel amplifier.
The tweeters will be connected to the H, I, J outputs.
These 3 channels will be wired with additional cables.
See the diagram in the attached file.
The tweeters will be placed on the dashboard for a better sound stage.
Please let me know about any difficulties or problems.

Hi, question to you, I just got the match up 10 dsp amplifier, would I be able to connect regular speaker on subwoofer line in the amp 90watt@4ohm? I wanted to make the songs sound louder since my bass is too loud from the trunk from 1000 watt jl amp with jl w6v3

[Billfitz]

You could always turn the sub down.

[Arthurrs]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

You could always turn the sub down.

1000 watts in a sub? Is N54s63tu trying to be heard on the other side of the parking lot? I thought that was reserved for exhaust mods.....

Indeed, sometimes the most simple solutions are the best ones, turning it down will not only balance things out, but also provide headroom, and preserve your hearing.

[NealfromNZ]

Learn to tune your system to a target curve to pull the sub bass back into line. The factory woofers are quite efficient so just HPF at 70 - 80 hz and turn the channel gains up a bit.

Hopefully not running HK underseat versions on the match. You’d be getting 45 - 50 rms at 8 ohms on high powered channels due to sub optimal loading of amp.Match high power channels like low ohm speakers. Ideally for the match you want at least a 4 ohm or better still a 2 ohm speaker and power will come up quite a bit.

Grab yourself a test usb mic like from mini dsp or dayton and an Windows app called REW

There is gold in the earlier parts of this post on tuning and target curves.

[N54andS63TU]

Originally Posted by runflat5

Hi audio-loving bimmers.

I had a lot of investigation into Bimmertech, Bavsound and Focal, as well as visits to different audio professionals, before ending up with 10DSP and new Audiotech Fischer subs for my F85. This is both cheaper and better.

I haven't read all the comments here in this topic, but I just wanted to share that the 2013-2018 X5/6/M (F15/16/85/86) with the S688 Harman/Kardon fits perfectly with the new Match 10DSP.

As well as new subs with correct ohms, I got this professionally installed and adjusted with individual sound-file fine tune (using the ATF DSP PC-tool which I can see posted in this topic), from an audio professional.

Mid-range and high-range speakers are still stock H/K, as these are not the "weak spot" with the S688-system - the amplifier and subs are.

I've tested the B&W in newest generation BMW X5 and X7, as well as the newest 7-series, and I find the Match 10DSP-setup with new subs AND proper sound file adjustment in the F85 to be better, and without any doubt better than the premium at the time (year 2013 for F15 production - Bang Olufsen).

For new subs (also Audiotech-Fischer), the 10DSP and the Helix SDMI25 (necessary adapter for generating a digital stereo signal in SPDIF format) it ended at around $2000 with professional installation and individual sound file adjustment.

There is a 10DSP option for both the S688 K/H and the 6F1A B&W for the new G05/06/95/96, using the so called RAM-module - needed for proper bypassing as the new gen BMWs has both radio and amplifier combined from factory. Haven't heard this, but sounds like something to consider for those of you with these cars and sound systems.

Hi, is there any way you can share the tuned file, wanted to try it out

[NealfromNZ]

See if you can get the OPs tune if he’s willing to share He did quite an evolution of it. Whilst the speakers are different the cabin is similar as what you have. X3/5 has different cabin characteristics to f3x f8x and time alignment offsets are different due to the distance from each speaker to the listener. F3x F8x speakers are closer.

[N54S63tu]

Originally Posted by Arthurrs

1000 watts in a sub? Is N54s63tu trying to be heard on the other side of the parking lot? I thought that was reserved for exhaust mods.....

Indeed, sometimes the most simple solutions are the best ones, turning it down will not only balance things out, but also provide headroom, and preserve your hearing.

match up 10 was on basic settings, now after the tune, everything matches perfectly

I still want to try this guys tuned file

[m4shifter]

A lot of useful information on this thread.

Curious if anyone tried the recently released Alpha One Lightwave amp?
Believe that is a rebranded Match Up 10 but comes with all the things (hardware, tune, etc.) specific to this platform?

[Billfitz]

It's a re-badged Mobridge K2 8.1.1.

[NealfromNZ]

Lightware does come with amp mounting hardware bracket and power / ground cables. They will also provide DSP maps pre done for your install and can adjust to your tastes. That’s the value add bimmertech do over the OEM.

[ncfh]

I'm trying to decide between the mObridge K2 and the Match Up 10DSP.

From what I've learned so far, the Match Up requires the Helix MOST converter whereas the mObridge accepts input MOST directly.

The Match Up has a little less power, but I don't think that's too big of a deal.

Not sure who has the superior software, I'm guessing Match Up.

I've seen some posts about issues with the BMW PDC audio, seems you lose the front/rear speaker output with one or both options?

I'm slowly gleaning knowledge thru random forum searches. Anybody have any bits of knowledge/advice?

[NealfromNZ]

Bmw idrive have digital channels for its audio channels and they work in the following way for Harmon Kardon Most Fibre based systems

Noting that Harmon Kardon Most can coded for both base audio and hifi idrive setups as they both use most for the instrument cluster.

Sink music , stereo ( 16 bit 44.1 / 44.8khz )
Sink chime , mono
Sink Nav / Voice mono
Sink PDC 4 channel surround
Video transport digital channel

The following products can take these digital audio signal sinks and up mixes them into a stereo single 24bit / 96khz Toslink / SPIDF output. ( stereo PDC )

Two channel audio

• Match / helix SMDI25
• Mobridge DA1
• Audison ( oem mobridge )
• bavsound

These products can route the sinks to a combo of Toslink and Analog so could be used to retain OEM functionality but use aftermarket amps of choice.

Multi Channel output ( eg pdc surround)

• Mobridge DA.G2 standard ( for use with alternative DSP / Amp combos )
• Mobridge DA.G2 pro DSP ( for alternative amps without dsp )
• Trimoa ( Analog outputs only )

Amps that support Digital audio and surround for PDC

• Mobridge K2 Most25 universal
• Bimmertech lightwave

So in terms of choices it comes down to how many channels you want to run to your speakers and if you want full idrive compatibility. But you have options that allow full functionality regardless of amp and dsp and can use a combo Toslink and analog Sink routing if needed.

You could in theory run 16 active channels to each tweeter / mid bass / underseat woofer using a Mobridge DA-G2 and a helix 18 channel amp DSP combo and still have full factory functionality.

[ncfh]

Thank you for the VERY informative reply.

The Helix SMDI25 is discontinued and Helix is now recommending use of the MoBridge DA.G2 options as substitute.

...

After demoing the DSP software from both Helix and MoBridge, the Helix seems to have quite a few more features and tools.

I'm still deciding if I will do the Match UP 10DSP, or go for one of the Helix 12/18 DSP amps and run active active components.

Helix also now makes a shallow 8" midbass.

[NealfromNZ]

Running active front tweeters does make tuning them to a target curve better. You also end up with more control when blending the mid to tweeter.

That new helix 8 inch looks quite good.

[Terras14]

Hi, I am noobs to audio. Just got an 2020 X5 with Harmon Kardon. However the previous owner change the front and rear door speaker to Eton plug and play as well as the 2 subwoofer under the seat. I went back to the audio shop that did the change as I really feel the music is average. He recommend me to upgrade to Helix V12 amp or a cheaper alternative match up 10 dsp.

I guess the Helix is better but is it worth paying 50% more for the Helxi for its performance? I just want my normal sound pop sound to sound better. Thanks.

[Arthurrs]

Originally Posted by Terras14

Hi, I am noobs to audio. Just got an 2020 X5 with Harmon Kardon. However the previous owner change the front and rear door speaker to Eton plug and play as well as the 2 subwoofer under the seat. I went back to the audio shop that did the change as I really feel the music is average. He recommend me to upgrade to Helix V12 amp or a cheaper alternative match up 10 dsp.

I guess the Helix is better but is it worth paying 50% more for the Helxi for its performance? I just want my normal sound pop sound to sound better. Thanks.

Unless you have very discriminate hearing capabilities, I don't think you'll hear an improvement worth the added expense of the Helix. Match UP10 DSP should be more than sufficient to make an audible improvement.

[Terras14]

Originally Posted by Arthurrs

Unless you have very discriminate hearing capabilities, I don't think you'll hear an improvement worth the added expense of the Helix. Match UP10 DSP should be more than sufficient to make an audible improvement.

Thanks. Affirming my decision.

[Khally]

Hi!
I have a full set of match speakers in my bmw F11 alongside the MATCHUP 10 DSP amp. I was therefore wondering if anyone have any advice on what crossovers to use for these speakers because there is very limited information about these speakers.

MATCH UP C42BMW-FRT.1 front and rear doors
MATCH UP C42BMW-FRT.3 roof
MATCH UP X4BMW-CTR.3 center
MATCH UP W8BMW-S underseat subs

Thanks!

[phc77]

Originally Posted by N54S63tu

Hi, question to you, I just got the match up 10 dsp amplifier, would I be able to connect regular speaker on subwoofer line in the amp 90watt@4ohm? I wanted to make the songs sound louder since my bass is too loud from the trunk from 1000 watt jl amp with jl w6v3

Sorry, it's been a while since I've been here.

I used the MATCH UP10's subwoofer outputs to connect Focal 6,5" ES165K2 (2ohms) in a panel kit as my low midrange (125 hz - 331 hz).

The HK underseat woofers (62-125 hz) are paralleled on an external bridged amp.
The same goes for the subwoofer (24-62 hz).

With the MATCH UP10, you can route any input to any output.

On the subject of bass imbalance, the HK system's audio signal suffers from a lack - I'd say an absence - of low frequencies in the 100-250 hz range, to the benefit of the ASD.
This is the most difficult range of the system to manage.

[phc77]

Originally Posted by ncfh

I'm trying to decide between the mObridge K2 and the Match Up 10DSP.

From what I've learned so far, the Match Up requires the Helix MOST converter whereas the mObridge accepts input MOST directly.

The Match Up has a little less power, but I don't think that's too big of a deal.

Not sure who has the superior software, I'm guessing Match Up.

I've seen some posts about issues with the BMW PDC audio, seems you lose the front/rear speaker output with one or both options?

I'm slowly gleaning knowledge thru random forum searches. Anybody have any bits of knowledge/advice?

There are no more MOST on the new BMWs, at least not on the G22, nor on the G26, so probably not on the G82.

Also, my MATCH UP10 is connected with the plug and play harness, that's all.
No loss of information, no adjustments required (PDC,... it's all there).
https://www.audiotec-fischer.de/en/m...-bmw-1-9ram-hk

With a little over a year of practice, research and information gathering in acoustics I can say that with ATM (automatic), automatic tune EQ, phase and acoustic filtering display, this DSP is unbeatable.

Its power is more than enough, as long as bass reproduction is assigned to an external amplifier.

[phc77]

Originally Posted by Khally

Hi!
I have a full set of match speakers in my bmw F11 alongside the MATCHUP 10 DSP amp. I was therefore wondering if anyone have any advice on what crossovers to use for these speakers because there is very limited information about these speakers.

MATCH UP C42BMW-FRT.1 front and rear doors
MATCH UP C42BMW-FRT.3 roof
MATCH UP X4BMW-CTR.3 center
MATCH UP W8BMW-S underseat subs

Thanks!

Vous pouvez démarrer avec ceci (page 29) :
https://www.audiotec-fischer.de/medi...l_Vol2_Web.pdf