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      12-07-2016, 12:41 AM   #23
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Wow so I just slap on this new turbo unit and gain 10% HP .. nice.
Any MAF sensor issues on your test cars?
This is overpriced!
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      12-07-2016, 02:17 PM   #24
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Wow so I just slap on this new turbo unit and gain 10% HP .. nice.
Any MAF sensor issues on your test cars?
I haven't heard of any, but can double check that.

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I haven't heard of any, but can double check that.

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Wait ..stupid question but this new turbo unit.. does it require JB4 for the improvement in HP/torque?
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Wait ..stupid question but this new turbo unit.. does it require JB4 for the improvement in HP/torque?
You get gains on stock tuning, but to maximize it you would want a tune.

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Wait ..stupid question but this new turbo unit.. does it require JB4 for the improvement in HP/torque?
You get gains on stock tuning, but to maximize it you would want a tune.

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Mike maybe you'd have some insight here...

If we have a hard fuel cap coded into the dme and the limiting factor is less the flow of the stock Turbo but more the fuel delivery being made available... how would this actually "make more power" over a JB4/DP factory Turbo car?

If the fuel cap is somewhere around 380whp and that's around what some are making with a JB4/DP/intake combo... where would this higher flowing Turbo play a part (without Meth)?

It would be awesome to see some dyno runs of this Pure Stage 1 off Meth and running the JB4 vs the stock plots to see the real world difference as the platform stands right now.

No arguing that once (and if) this cap is lifted via an future backend/full tune, this upgrade would be a really attractive option for a extra 30-50whp over the stock snail. But "today"....I don't know if there is a point off Meth.
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Mike maybe you'd have some insight here...

If we have a hard fuel cap coded into the dme and the limiting factor is less the flow of the stock Turbo but more the fuel delivery being made available... how would this actually "make more power" over a JB4/DP factory Turbo car?

If the fuel cap is somewhere around 380whp and that's around what some are making with a JB4/DP/intake combo... where would this higher flowing Turbo play a part (without Meth)?

It would be awesome to see some dyno runs of this Pure Stage 1 off Meth and running the JB4 vs the stock plots to see the real world difference as the platform stands right now.

No arguing that once (and if) this cap is lifted via an future backend/full tune, this upgrade would be a really attractive option for a extra 30-50whp over the stock snail. But "today"....I don't know if there is a point off Meth.
If on pump gas without meth and without the fuel cap being bypassed you won't make any more power as the fueling will be the limit.


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Mike maybe you'd have some insight here...

If we have a hard fuel cap coded into the dme and the limiting factor is less the flow of the stock Turbo but more the fuel delivery being made available... how would this actually "make more power" over a JB4/DP factory Turbo car?

If the fuel cap is somewhere around 380whp and that's around what some are making with a JB4/DP/intake combo... where would this higher flowing Turbo play a part (without Meth)?

It would be awesome to see some dyno runs of this Pure Stage 1 off Meth and running the JB4 vs the stock plots to see the real world difference as the platform stands right now.

No arguing that once (and if) this cap is lifted via an future backend/full tune, this upgrade would be a really attractive option for a extra 30-50whp over the stock snail. But "today"....I don't know if there is a point off Meth.
If on pump gas without meth and without the fuel cap being bypassed you won't make any more power as the fueling will be the limit.


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Thanks Mike! Damn that fuel cap...fingers crossed someone cracks that code soon.
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It's gotta happen at some point, this engine seems to have some real potential. We need to take advantage of that
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Having the MPPSK is the only flash tune available but does it raise the fuel cap? I'm wanting to do this upgrade on my 340i w/ MPPSK but only if it's gonna net gains worth the price.
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Thanks Mike! Damn that fuel cap...fingers crossed someone cracks that code soon.
Dinan is supposed to come out with their "full tune" in January, once the tuners get their hands on that and see how they get past the IPW corrections and tuning methods the sky is going to be the limit.
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Thanks Mike! Damn that fuel cap...fingers crossed someone cracks that code soon.
Dinan is supposed to come out with their "full tune" in January, once the tuners get their hands on that and see how they get past the IPW corrections and tuning methods the sky is going to be the limit.
I think the "tune" Dinan is referring too is their elite piggyback product which would be similar to JB4/Active8; and not an actual ecu flash.
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Having the MPPSK is the only flash tune available but does it raise the fuel cap? I'm wanting to do this upgrade on my 340i w/ MPPSK but only if it's gonna net gains worth the price.
I don't think that raises the fuel cap.

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Incredible power and torque curves! Looks like a perfectly matched turbo to me.
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Just wanted to let you guys know, that PURE released a stage1 Upgrade..

BMW B58 Stage 1 Upgrade

- Custom Billet Compressor wheel
- CNC Machined
- High Speed VSR Balanced

On stock car other than an air filter and 93 octane we gained over 30whp and 20ft/lbs with no tune.
On same stock car with only an air filter, JB4, and 93 octane / meth we made 481.18whp and 437.84 ft/lbs

More info to come..

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Hello Mike

It is possible to install a B58 pure stg 1 on N55 M235i engine? I just did a purchase for stg 1 N55 pure turbo but if it can works I prefer to get a change

Thank you
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Hello Mike

It is possible to install a B58 pure stg 1 on N55 M235i engine? I just did a purchase for stg 1 N55 pure turbo but if it can works I prefer to get a change

Thank you
what? you want to buy a turbo for a different engine just to change something?
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Hello kern417

I just want to know if stage 1 B58 pure turbo can be work or installed into N55 M235i engine. I'm looking for 450 whp but stage 1 N55 get until 410.
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I just want to know if stage 1 B58 pure turbo can be work or installed into N55 M235i engine. I'm looking for 450 whp but stage 1 N55 get until 410.
i'll be nice and just say no.
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Just wanted to let you guys know, that PURE released a stage1 Upgrade..

BMW B58 Stage 1 Upgrade

- Custom Billet Compressor wheel
- CNC Machined
- High Speed VSR Balanced

On stock car other than an air filter and 93 octane we gained over 30whp and 20ft/lbs with no tune.
On same stock car with only an air filter, JB4, and 93 octane / meth we made 481.18whp and 437.84 ft/lbs

More info to come..

Mike
Hello Mike

It is possible to install a B58 pure stg 1 on N55 M235i engine? I just did a purchase for stg 1 N55 pure turbo but if it can works I prefer to get a change

Thank you
Why would that work? It's for a completely different engine and the guys at Pure would have released these long ago if it were compatible some how with the two engines which is very unlikely. The way the turbos are setup you can't just swap them around.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the Pure stage 1 upgrade is a compressor wheel only, not a different turbo. You send your turbo/ core charge for installing that wheel.

However, it would be extremely unlikely that this would work on a completely different turbo.

So the answer is no, it will not work. So 'Columbia' stick to the upgrade you just got.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the Pure stage 1 upgrade is a compressor wheel only, not a different turbo. You send your turbo/ core charge for installing that wheel.

However, it would be extremely unlikely that this would work on a completely different turbo.

So the answer is no, it will not work. So 'Columbia' stick to the upgrade you just got.
Yea last I saw the B58 turbo was slightly bigger than the one stock w/ N55.. different units.. dont they have an upgrade for the N55 turbo I believe they do
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Hello Mike

It is possible to install a B58 pure stg 1 on N55 M235i engine? I just did a purchase for stg 1 N55 pure turbo but if it can works I prefer to get a change

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Yea last I saw the B58 turbo was slightly bigger than the one stock w/ N55.. different units.. dont they have an upgrade for the N55 turbo I believe they do
It looks like he already got the N55 upgrade but was hoping the B58 upgrade worked with better results.
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Hello Mike

It is possible to install a B58 pure stg 1 on N55 M235i engine? I just did a purchase for stg 1 N55 pure turbo but if it can works I prefer to get a change

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Yea last I saw the B58 turbo was slightly bigger than the one stock w/ N55.. different units.. dont they have an upgrade for the N55 turbo I believe they do
It looks like he already got the N55 upgrade but was hoping the B58 upgrade worked with better results.
Is there no Stage 2? If not I would ask if they are planning to develop another stage.
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