BMW Fxx/Gxx B58 OBD Flashing is now supported by mFlasher

335i/335d? · 07-19-2018, 12:53 AM

Sounds great!

How much psi do stage 1 and stage 2 run?

Does an intake + mppsk require Any modifications to the flash?

For which octane are both stages developed? Is it possible to make a custom file for Ron 102 octane.

Is it possible to put the tune under the sport button?

Did you run into problems with the fuel delivery?

Thanks

mookie45 · 07-19-2018, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyanfall

Few questions.
1. Does the 799 price contain all accessories required to update it in home or I still need to find a professional or other tools to do it.
2. Will this work on multiple cars? Or I need to buy two for two cars,
3. Will it work on 440? Since it mention 340 i assume 440 and 340 haveexactly same powertrains.
4. What exactly is m boot? Is it a software of phone app?
5. Does it severely affect fuel economy and longevity? Is it possible to only activate extra power in sport mode?

6. Is this resellable? How does that work?

rahlow · 07-19-2018, 07:02 AM

I have a catless down pipe on my B58 and JB4, will this remove the fuel cap problem so that with this tune I can now order stage 1 or 2 pure turbos on 93 octane and not have to use meth? Also will this run in conjunction with JB4 so I can get the most out of jb4 as well or will it simply over write JB4 and it would be obsolete? These two questions I'm most interested to know.

kern417 · 07-19-2018, 07:04 AM

Sheesh you guys are relentless. Maybe just wait for the website to be updated with all the details.

Araemo · 07-19-2018, 08:38 AM

No increased gains if you have MPPSK/other high-flow exhaust?

I'd love to see an MPPSK graph on the same dyno you used for this, to get apples-to-apples-to-apples (stock-MPPSK-tuned) comparison... 380/400 sounds awful nice, but MPPSK is probably making pretty damn close to 380 normally, so if the tune is only going to bump it to 380, doesn't seem worth it for MPPSK owners.

Vinboyblue · 07-19-2018, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Abzynthe

Why would you be in neutral and moving, then, also wanting it to pop?

If your moving, just make it pop in gear. If your stationary, make it pop in neutral?

Cause of Automatic? lol

ishowerinjager · 07-19-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Araemo

No increased gains if you have MPPSK/other high-flow exhaust?

I'd love to see an MPPSK graph on the same dyno you used for this, to get apples-to-apples-to-apples (stock-MPPSK-tuned) comparison... 380/400 sounds awful nice, but MPPSK is probably making pretty damn close to 380 normally, so if the tune is only going to bump it to 380, doesn't seem worth it for MPPSK owners.

This is the main question for a lot of us. Mppsk is doing 350/360 to the wheels so it may not be much more than that

vincechase · 07-19-2018, 10:08 AM

Hmmm.......

What company creates this ? & where can I get it.

I have a 2015 335 xdrive with sports. I want to try this on. Want to know if this is possible

Thanks

jalkster · 07-19-2018, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by vincechase

Hmmm.......

What company creates this ? & where can I get it.

I have a 2015 335 xdrive with sports. I want to try this on. Want to know if this is possible

Thanks

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mission+performance+b58

jalkster · 07-19-2018, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Araemo

No increased gains if you have MPPSK/other high-flow exhaust?

I'd love to see an MPPSK graph on the same dyno you used for this, to get apples-to-apples-to-apples (stock-MPPSK-tuned) comparison... 380/400 sounds awful nice, but MPPSK is probably making pretty damn close to 380 normally, so if the tune is only going to bump it to 380, doesn't seem worth it for MPPSK owners.

Stock exhaust has high flow. There is a difference between a sound deadening muffler and restriction. MPPSK is definitely not 380whp. Which this tune should easily hit. Stock turbo is good for ~470whp, so the question here is how powerful are our fuel pumps?

RTPenland · 07-19-2018, 10:20 AM

so if this does end up making enough power over the MPPSK to tempt current MPPSK owners to over-write their existing software - does that mean that MPPSK owners will simply be left with one very expensive exhaust and an aftermarket tune?

daveyfx · 07-19-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Transmission mapping is not part of engine control module, actually scratch that, DME does have some effect on trans shifting but not much. We are working on the 8HP50 flashing at this point as well and should have some support very soon.

How is the auto transmission coping with your tune? Is the shifting rough/delayed as is sometimes seen with piggyback tunes?

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Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Stage 2 is for cars with catless down pipes. The cost extras is because we have to put extra work into it to properly remove cat monitoring, rewrite wastegate control to prevent overboost, and so on. Result is slightly higher powered car with no CEL.

Will stage 2 work for those of us who intend to use a high-flow cat?

jalkster · 07-19-2018, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RTPenland

so if this does end up making enough power over the MPPSK to tempt current MPPSK owners to over-write their existing software - does that mean that MPPSK owners will simply be left with one very expensive exhaust and an aftermarket tune?

Yes... but it is a badass exhaust. When you decide to sell, if you do, you will have the option to go back to MPPSK tune. Non MPPSK opted cars will not have that option. Look at MPPSK as a mild OEM flash. While this flash will have the ability to be more focused towards big power.

B58 · 07-19-2018, 10:37 AM

Might possibly be in for the group buy....

RTPenland · 07-19-2018, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jalkster

Yes... but it is a badass exhaust. When you decide to sell, if you do, you will have the option to go back to MPPSK tune. Non MPPSK opted cars will not have that option. Look at MPPSK as a mild OEM flash. While this flash will have the ability to be more focused towards big power.

So this is the part that makes all the difference to me "you will have the option to go back to MPPSK tune" so that is very cool - so if the price/performance is enough it would almost be like going to a stage 2 for current MPPSK owners (and by stage 2 I simply mean a meaningful bump over what they already have)

Thanks for clarifying for me

Mamyf30 · 07-19-2018, 10:45 AM

if you are leasing with mppsk and decide to go this route - you essentially are losing out/paying for bmw's tune but not actually using it

jalkster · 07-19-2018, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RTPenland

So this is the part that makes all the difference to me "you will have the option to go back to MPPSK tune" so that is very cool - so if the price/performance is enough it would almost be like going to a stage 2 for current MPPSK owners (and by stage 2 I simply mean a meaningful bump over what they already have)

Thanks for clarifying for me

No problem. Im just reciting what they said about reverting back to stock. Whatever you had before, will be replaceable. per MP.

AddictedTo///M · 07-19-2018, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Group buy will be setup in few days. There will be a minimum of 10 orders for a successful groupbuy and as a promotion, Burble and mBoot will be added to all the orders for free.

I am patiently waiting

kern417 · 07-19-2018, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mamyf30

if you are leasing with mppsk and decide to go this route - you essentially are losing out/paying for bmw's tune but not actually using it

Doesn't matter whether you're leasing or not lol. Leasing just means you spent less money to not use it.

ishowerinjager · 07-19-2018, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jalkster

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Originally Posted by Araemo

No increased gains if you have MPPSK/other high-flow exhaust?

I'd love to see an MPPSK graph on the same dyno you used for this, to get apples-to-apples-to-apples (stock-MPPSK-tuned) comparison... 380/400 sounds awful nice, but MPPSK is probably making pretty damn close to 380 normally, so if the tune is only going to bump it to 380, doesn't seem worth it for MPPSK owners.

Stock exhaust has high flow. There is a difference between a sound deadening muffler and restriction. MPPSK is definitely not 380whp. Which this tune should easily hit. Stock turbo is good for ~470whp, so the question here is how powerful are our fuel pumps?

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1313152

368/370 for mppsk is pretty damn close. Since we have no values stated from this company on whether the tune is producing these number at the wheels or crank I think it a pretty big assumption that you're making.

Until some before and after dynos are posted we don't know anything.

rahlow · 07-19-2018, 11:51 AM

I'm also extremely down on the group buy option. We need to start organizing that.

MissionPerformance · 07-19-2018, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jalkster

No problem. Im just reciting what they said about reverting back to stock. Whatever you had before, will be replaceable. per MP.

That is pretty much correct. First step, we make a backup of your existing software configuration. After that is done, we will build a tune for you based on your software level. That means, if you had MPPSK, then you will get our tune built using MPPSK foundation. If you had a base B58 software, then our tune will be built on that.

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Originally Posted by jalkster

Yes... but it is a badass exhaust. When you decide to sell, if you do, you will have the option to go back to MPPSK tune. Non MPPSK opted cars will not have that option. Look at MPPSK as a mild OEM flash. While this flash will have the ability to be more focused towards big power.

Correct. The flash is based on your current configuration, MPPSK or Base. Then the firmware is modified for even higher gains.

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Originally Posted by daveyfx

How is the auto transmission coping with your tune? Is the shifting rough/delayed as is sometimes seen with piggyback tunes?

We haven't had any trans issues. Our tunes run of actual Internal Torque Structure, unlike piggyback that runs off stock torque structure. becasue of that, the trans knows the exact torque numbers at flywheel and adjusts shifting characteristics accordingly.

Will stage 2 work for those of us who intend to use a high-flow cat?

yes it will, just make sure to get high quality high-flow cats. We have seen too many cheaper high-flows break down and crack.

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Originally Posted by RTPenland

so if this does end up making enough power over the MPPSK to tempt current MPPSK owners to over-write their existing software - does that mean that MPPSK owners will simply be left with one very expensive exhaust and an aftermarket tune?

Think about a tune as a "power boost" over what you currently have. So if you have MPPSK, then you still will have the added benefits of MPPSK, but with higher power figures.

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Originally Posted by Araemo

No increased gains if you have MPPSK/other high-flow exhaust?

I'd love to see an MPPSK graph on the same dyno you used for this, to get apples-to-apples-to-apples (stock-MPPSK-tuned) comparison... 380/400 sounds awful nice, but MPPSK is probably making pretty damn close to 380 normally, so if the tune is only going to bump it to 380, doesn't seem worth it for MPPSK owners.

Yes, there are gains over MPPSK. Please see above responses.
We will have dynos posted for both MPPSK and Base B58, though MPPSK will not have high flow exhaust. Then we will apply our tunes to both versions to show the power gains on both.

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Originally Posted by rahlow

I have a catless down pipe on my B58 and JB4, will this remove the fuel cap problem so that with this tune I can now order stage 1 or 2 pure turbos on 93 octane and not have to use meth? Also will this run in conjunction with JB4 so I can get the most out of jb4 as well or will it simply over write JB4 and it would be obsolete? These two questions I'm most interested to know.

We can over come the software fuel cap, that is no issue. The physical fueling limiting (HPFP) is what going to stop you from making good enough power to justify PS2.
JB4 is a stand alone box and we will not be over writing it. We are working on actual engine management side and will be over writing the factory tune. You are welcome to use JB4 at your own risk, though that is not something we recommend since we do not provide support for any piggy back modules.

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Originally Posted by 335i/335d?

Sounds great!

How much psi do stage 1 and stage 2 run?

Does an intake + mppsk require Any modifications to the flash?

For which octane are both stages developed? Is it possible to make a custom file for Ron 102 octane.

Is it possible to put the tune under the sport button?

Did you run into problems with the fuel delivery?

Thanks

-These computers run off torque/load formula and not boost target, meaning boost will be variable based on desired torque.
-No modifications needed for that.
-We build all of our tunes for 91 octane but can adjust timing and knock for 102ron if requested.
-at this time we do not provide suitable maps.
-Please see above responses regarding fueling

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