[ron_jeremy]

Originally Posted by 09BlkSapphire

Not so surprising. A car isn't always better just because it's faster. There's lots of intangibles involved in how a driver could like a 'slower' car. And anyways the Audi tested is 10,000 euros more expensive so there was that to consider too. Look at how the M3 still better than the C63 despite being less powerful and slower straight line.

^^^
This!

And is it just me, or is the Audi interiour very messy, the F30 looks just so much more clean and better thought out imo.
188 kg more, i know the all whell drive is another 100kg, but almost 200 kg more, that's a big b**** imo.

[Robin_NL]

The Audi's front looks nice and that's about it imo. It looks a bit boring from different angles.

188kgs more and quattro. That magical LSD is only suitable for icey/snowy /rainy conditions. On a dry road /track I prefer the F30 rwd feel.

[PrinceBarin]

Originally Posted by ron_jeremy

And is it just me, or is the Audi interiour very messy, the F30 looks just so much more clean and better thought out imo.

I agree.

The Audi interior is a mess IMO. Don't get me wrong, the quality is there and they have a nice looking instrument cluster, but it looks like Darth Vadar's bathroom - way too much switchgear.

[SIMPSD3005]

Originally Posted by ACSE90

Those side by side photos make the two cars look as if they are one in the same. Don't get me wrong I love the F30. But those photos make the two appear very similar.

I agree. Maybe just the way these pictures were taken, but aside the kidneys v/s Audis mouth grill the f30 is more like an A4 than the E90 was.

Even the cockpit is more squared off towards the driver like the A4.

Maybe when seen in the flesh it the differences are more apparent.

[Vicmm2]

For everyone who likes the Audi's looks better, you can have your glorified VolksWagen, more F30 for me!

[DrivenByE30]

Both cars are winners in my book... but my choice is the 335i 6MT and i am fine with it.

[ZheHbKa]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

Are those lease rates for the outgoing E90 335? I just can't imagine that the new F30 335 would have a better lease rate of a much less expensive base A4 with the 2.0 four cylinder.

E90 is definitely cheaper, i think its a better car then current a4, F30 will have good rates mid summer when all the options are out (AWD, M Sport)

[KneeDragr]

Honestly I'd probably prefer an s4 over a 335i, but street prices on them are usually in the 60's. Anyhow I feel th 328i is now the bargain for it's level of performance.

[Sky_Driver]

I think the f30 looks better than audi s4 from side profile.

because the front-suspension of s4 is too long.... so i think the propotion of f30 is better!

the propotion of a front-engine rear-drive(FR) car looks always better than a FF or AWD car......

[stefan]

For me, the interior photos are the most telling visual comparison. Look at the lack of attention to ergonomics in the Audi. It's cluttered and confusing. When the car is in park, you have to squeeze your hand between the lever and the controls to use them. Hilarious lack of planning.

As for the exterior, I still think the F30 is ugly. Front does not flow with the back (which is E90-ish).

[Tattedtwice]

Originally Posted by MERCSUk153

Nice to have a glorified VW outrun your car.

Not so nice for the one in the overpriced jetta-lookalike; 33 more hp and still cant walk a 335 from a roll. Sad.

[1.fresh.f30.335]

Originally Posted by stefan

For me, the interior photos are the most telling visual comparison. Look at the lack of attention to ergonomics in the Audi. It's cluttered and confusing. When the car is in park, you have to squeeze your hand between the lever and the controls to use them. Hilarious lack of planning.

As for the exterior, I still think the F30 is ugly. Front does not flow with the back (which is E90-ish).

I have to disagree, I have a Q7 and a A8L in the driveway and both of those cars are WAY better planned as far as the interior is concerned than a BMW. I am sorry but MMI is still way more intuitive than the BMW system and while everyone hates the amount of buttons, they are where you would want them to be.

- Case in point is the volume button... in an audi it is right next to the MMI controls where you would expect it to be, in the Bimmer its completely across the dash and up next the CD changer (which would be ok if all the other buttons for the radio were with the volume button but they are not!)

Like I said, I ordered the 335 so that clearly says a lot... And there are a lot of areas where the audi falls down compared to the Bimmer but the interior ergonomics and layout is not one of them, just the .02 of an audi guy...

[Michael Schott]

Originally Posted by Vicmm2

For everyone who likes the Audi's looks better, you can have your glorified VolksWagen, more F30 for me!

I'm thinking that you're a troll and that the VW GTI I had in 1988 would beat your 2001 325.

[bcl0328]

Originally Posted by 1.fresh.f30.335

- Case in point is the volume button... in an audi it is right next to the MMI controls where you would expect it to be, in the Bimmer its completely across the dash and up next the CD changer (which would be ok if all the other buttons for the radio were with the volume button but they are not!)

or you could, you know, use the one on the steering wheel.

[darksilkx1]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

Can we get this in English please? http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-...t-3393146.html

Try this http://translate.google.com/translat...8.html&act=url

[The X Men]

Originally Posted by 1.fresh.f30.335

I have to disagree, I have a Q7 and a A8L in the driveway and both of those cars are WAY better planned as far as the interior is concerned than a BMW. I am sorry but MMI is still way more intuitive than the BMW system and while everyone hates the amount of buttons, they are where you would want them to be.

- Case in point is the volume button... in an audi it is right next to the MMI controls where you would expect it to be, in the Bimmer its completely across the dash and up next the CD changer (which would be ok if all the other buttons for the radio were with the volume button but they are not!)

Like I said, I ordered the 335 so that clearly says a lot... And there are a lot of areas where the audi falls down compared to the Bimmer but the interior ergonomics and layout is not one of them, just the .02 of an audi guy...

I agree, I have a 2012 A6 and my wife has a 2011 328xi, we both prefer the MMI over the I-drive. Both interiors are pretty high quality, but the Audi interior is much brighter and younger looking, where as BMW's interior is more traditional, dark and old fashion.

[Robin_NL]

Guys, better compare the F30 interior/IDrive vs the S4 interior /MMI. Then the F30 will win. Just because it's newer(better integrated)

Coming from a F10 5 series I cannot see why the Audi A6 interior/MMI should be better and/or more ergonomical. I think they are on par. I prefer the F10 5 series interior by far over ANY Audi interior....

[TheBingoBalls]

I think it's almost pointless to compare iDrive vs MMI vs. whatever Mercedes has. You're going to have people who like one over the other, some will find one easier to use while others difficult, almost like a Mac vs. Windows debate.

As for the layout, I'll take BMW simply because everything is easily laid out and it's really where everything should be (traditionally speaking). Radio, climate control? On the dash/HU. iDrive control? Close but away from the shifter but still easily accessible. Everything is separate/clearly laid out and not clumped together like the Audi.

[justinnum1]

all these mmi/idrive/comman/ suck ass

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by MERCSUk153

It is not just clumped together. There is actually some thought to which you think there is madness of buttons.
They have all the buttons there on the MMI because they have grouped the buttons of the radio/media, Nav, Telephone, and Car setup on the four corners of the MMI so that you can operate the buttons without looking down at it and know where and what each button is suppose to do. If you don't want to use the buttons there is voice control. Like you said each manufacturer has reasons for doing things MAC vs Windows and Audi engineers don't just put buttons there for the hell of it.

When I refer to as "clumped" together, I don't mean they just threw buttons there for the sake of it. I'm sure there was some thought put into it why they put them there. I just don't agree with why they did it. I don't see the need to throw every control near the shifter. As we're on the topic of how the interior/layout looks, in my opinion, Audi's setup definitely doesn't help in that department because it looks too busy.

Like I said in my post, I prefer the traditional layout BMW has stuck to for each generation of their 3, everything is separated and laid out according to their function. Radio/climate controls are in one place, drive controls are placed near the shifter, iDrive controls have their own area.

[GuhBookGi]

Originally Posted by The X Men

I agree, I have a 2012 A6 and my wife has a 2011 328xi, we both prefer the MMI over the I-drive. Both interiors are pretty high quality, but the Audi interior is much brighter and younger looking, where as BMW's interior is more traditional, dark and old fashion.

Old fashion?
The bright red stripe, brushed aluminum/high glass black, silver matte chrome rings on the controls, the top part of the dash sweeping down on the passenger's side?
Call it what you want, but "old fashion" is definitely not it...

[GuhBookGi]

Originally Posted by MERCSUk153

Can someone posts pictures of the F30 interior at night?

from the media gallery forum:

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=da98f...592293888A!898