[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by R12ax7

Lets not forget the revised suspension geometry and how much better the 340 steering is than the 335. I went from a 2013 335i RWD + Dinan Springs to a 2016 340i RWD and while there is a tad more body roll than i had on the 35 on account of the stiffer/lower springs, I would take the 340 as-is any day of the week for its much more predictable/progressive turn-in and general feel.

Let's talk objective....these reviews are done by professionals.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/bmw-3...ear-contender/

"Unfortunately, the 340i is no faster than the old 335i. In fact, our 340i was slower to 60 mph than F30-chassis 335i sedans and coupes we?ve tested, and it tied the 435i convertible to 60 mph. At 5.1 seconds to 60, it?s no slouch, but the 340i trails the original 2012 335i?s 4.9-second run. It finally catches up at the quarter-mile mark, though, with a run of 13.6 seconds at 105.3 mph."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

"The struts, for example, are more rigidly mounted than before, and the dampers are said to offer reduced body roll, although the 335i didn?t offend on that front. We will say that the Bimmer?s ride quality appears to be unaffected. The steering, for its part, wasn?t detailed any more beyond BMW saying it was more ?refined,? and without a 335i on hand for comparison, it was difficult to tell if there was any substantial improvement, and the steering alterations seem to be little more than incremental."

[Big Nodge]

Originally Posted by bones

So you guys are saying that the b58 without MPE doesn't burble and fart? that's crazy. I tacked on the MPE to my order at the last minute without knowing that. Got lucky I guess.

Mine does, but it's pretty subtle, usually hard to hear inside the car. Nothing like the MPPSK videos I've seen.

[hollandog]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Yeah well....the 340i doesn't backfire like crazy when in Sport mode like my MPPK 335i does so that everyone around you assumes your car is broken, so eat that 340i owners!

Mine burbs in Sport+. no MPE.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by hollandog

Mine burbs in Sport+. no MPE.

I know the burb but do you get annoyingly loud backfires? Sounds like gunshots almost.

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by deznium

Let's talk objective....these reviews are done by professionals.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/bmw-3...ear-contender/

"Unfortunately, the 340i is no faster than the old 335i. In fact, our 340i was slower to 60 mph than F30-chassis 335i sedans and coupes we?ve tested, and it tied the 435i convertible to 60 mph. At 5.1 seconds to 60, it?s no slouch, but the 340i trails the original 2012 335i?s 4.9-second run. It finally catches up at the quarter-mile mark, though, with a run of 13.6 seconds at 105.3 mph."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

"The struts, for example, are more rigidly mounted than before, and the dampers are said to offer reduced body roll, although the 335i didn?t offend on that front. We will say that the Bimmer?s ride quality appears to be unaffected. The steering, for its part, wasn?t detailed any more beyond BMW saying it was more ?refined,? and without a 335i on hand for comparison, it was difficult to tell if there was any substantial improvement, and the steering alterations seem to be little more than incremental."

Here car and driver got 4.8 with a manual.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...0i-test-review

One question have you driven the 340i yet?

[strumbringer]

Let's not Please go drive one. I'd be shocked if you didn't walk away thinking the 340i is better in pretty much every way compared to an equivalently configured 335i.

Originally Posted by deznium

Let's talk objective....these reviews are done by professionals.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/bmw-3...ear-contender/

"Unfortunately, the 340i is no faster than the old 335i. In fact, our 340i was slower to 60 mph than F30-chassis 335i sedans and coupes we?ve tested, and it tied the 435i convertible to 60 mph. At 5.1 seconds to 60, it?s no slouch, but the 340i trails the original 2012 335i?s 4.9-second run. It finally catches up at the quarter-mile mark, though, with a run of 13.6 seconds at 105.3 mph."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

"The struts, for example, are more rigidly mounted than before, and the dampers are said to offer reduced body roll, although the 335i didn?t offend on that front. We will say that the Bimmer?s ride quality appears to be unaffected. The steering, for its part, wasn?t detailed any more beyond BMW saying it was more ?refined,? and without a 335i on hand for comparison, it was difficult to tell if there was any substantial improvement, and the steering alterations seem to be little more than incremental."

[fecurtis]

Yeah I wouldn't kid myself, the 340i is probably better.

I had a 328i LCI as a loaner, no sport packages or anything and I could immediately tell the difference in the revised suspension, chassis and steering.

I mean I'd hope it'd be better, who makes their mid cycle refresh WORSE? At the end of the day, who cares, the changes are small but noticeable and nothing major.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Yeah I wouldn't kid myself, the 340i is probably better.

I had a 328i LCI as a loaner, no sport packages or anything and I could immediately tell the difference in the revised suspension, chassis and steering.

I mean I'd hope it'd be better, who makes their mid cycle refresh WORSE? At the end of the day, who cares, the changes are small but noticeable and nothing major.

That's the whole point and thanks for clarifying. These are small changes and nothing big. Some people (like me) and C&D did not notice much difference but some did like yourself. What I am trying to say is that people are coming here and giving subjective reasoning. All I am presenting is facts based on professional conducted tests. What you like and what I like does not really count that much.

I will probably not buy a 3 in the future. I think the only way to experience a true BMW these days is to buy a M car. For comfort I'd rather go with 5-series or a Benz.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Yeah I wouldn't kid myself, the 340i is probably better.

I had a 328i LCI as a loaner, no sport packages or anything and I could immediately tell the difference in the revised suspension, chassis and steering.

I mean I'd hope it'd be better, who makes their mid cycle refresh WORSE? At the end of the day, who cares, the changes are small but noticeable and nothing major.

The base suspension might have tightened up but I don't have any data to support my claim.

However, I had a 2016 sportline loaner and when compared to my 2014 M Sport I could not notice anything significantly different.

In fact, I thought my 2014 was more comfy and sporty at the same time and my 2014 steering weight/heft feel was better compared to the 2016. The 2016 steering was unnecessarily too tight. On roads, the 2016 made a louder noise when hitting the pot holes whereas my 2014 was slightly better. I drove it on the same roads. Again, I don't have any data to prove but like I said did not notice a huge difference between the 2014 vs. 2016 sports suspension.

[Eriphill]

Originally Posted by deznium

Let's talk objective....these reviews are done by professionals.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/bmw-3...ear-contender/

"Unfortunately, the 340i is no faster than the old 335i. In fact, our 340i was slower to 60 mph than F30-chassis 335i sedans and coupes we?ve tested, and it tied the 435i convertible to 60 mph. At 5.1 seconds to 60, it?s no slouch, but the 340i trails the original 2012 335i?s 4.9-second run. It finally catches up at the quarter-mile mark, though, with a run of 13.6 seconds at 105.3 mph."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

"The struts, for example, are more rigidly mounted than before, and the dampers are said to offer reduced body roll, although the 335i didn?t offend on that front. We will say that the Bimmer?s ride quality appears to be unaffected. The steering, for its part, wasn?t detailed any more beyond BMW saying it was more ?refined,? and without a 335i on hand for comparison, it was difficult to tell if there was any substantial improvement, and the steering alterations seem to be little more than incremental."

Professionals Motortrend used a manual RWD which posts slower times than an AWD auto. Edmonds used the latter

http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/3-series/...ast-is-it.html

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by deznium

That's the whole point and thanks for clarifying. These are small changes and nothing big. Some people (like me) and C&D did not notice much difference but some did like yourself. What I am trying to say is that people are coming here and giving subjective reasoning. All I am presenting is facts based on professional conducted tests. What you like and what I like does not really count that much.

I will probably not buy a 3 in the future. I think the only way to experience a true BMW these days is to buy a M car. For comfort I'd rather go with 5-series or a Benz.

Tests don't tell me crap if one test was done on a cold or fall day and another on a hot humid day. If one on a manual and the other on an auto transmission. Go drive them back to back and drag strip is the only way you can tell.
I posted the time of 4.8 from the other mag with manual. What does that mean? Maybe tested on a colder day? Maybe better driver? So if you are looking at objective numbers than you are looking in the wrong area.

1. Test drive them back to back.
2. Take general consensus as that is usually better than one's opinion since one's butt dyno may be out of whack.
3. Logic in numbers. Almost identical hp and torque numbers with similiar slope, but elimination in lag and higher rpm would tell you faster launch hence quicker 0-60 and better power to redline would indicate higher speed and faster to 1/4 mile+
4. Wait for some drag strip runs with time slips between 335i mppk vs 340i.

With the 2nd statement I like to use the general consensus from people who have owned 335i mppk and upgraded to the 340i and people who have 335i and test drove the 340i because if you went for a test drive and the vehicle didn't feel much different and everyone else is saying there is a huge difference than it may be possible that there was something wrong with your demo test drive car. If I go test drive a 335i and 340i back to back and notice a huge difference and everyone else is saying the opposite than it is possible that the 335i that I went to test drive might have a problem etc. This is why I like to take the general consensus in such discussions and not eliminate the fact that I could be totally wrong and not just me noticing or not noticing the difference.

[lens]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMsport

Tests don't tell me crap if one test was done on a cold or fall day and another on a hot humid day. If one on a manual and the other on an auto transmission. Go drive them back to back and drag strip is the only way you can tell.
I posted the time of 4.8 from the other mag with manual. What does that mean? Maybe tested on a colder day? Maybe better driver? So if you are looking at objective numbers than you are looking in the wrong area.

1. Test drive them back to back.
2. Take general consensus as that is usually better than one's opinion since one's butt dyno may be out of whack.
3. Logic in numbers. Almost identical hp and torque numbers with similiar slope, but elimination in lag and higher rpm would tell you faster launch hence quicker 0-60 and better power to redline would indicate higher speed and faster to 1/4 mile+
4. Wait for some drag strip runs with time slips between 335i mppk vs 340i.

With the 2nd statement I like to use the general consensus from people who have owned 335i mppk and upgraded to the 340i and people who have 335i and test drove the 340i because if you went for a test drive and the vehicle didn't feel much different and everyone else is saying there is a huge difference than it may be possible that there was something wrong with your demo test drive car. If I go test drive a 335i and 340i back to back and notice a huge difference and everyone else is saying the opposite than it is possible that the 335i that I went to test drive might have a problem etc. This is why I like to take the general consensus in such discussions and not eliminate the fact that I could be totally wrong and not just me noticing or not noticing the difference.

My best time with MPPK 335i xdrive with non rft was 13.1

Just need someone to post theirs for 340i now.

[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by chaungo

My best time with MPPK 335i xdrive with non rft was 13.1

Just need someone to post theirs for 340i now.

Do you have the newer PPK or the old PPK? This guy ran a 12.8 @ 107 and a 12.9 @108 with just the newer PPK..

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1273543

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMsport

Tests don't tell me crap if one test was done on a cold or fall day and another on a hot humid day. If one on a manual and the other on an auto transmission. Go drive them back to back and drag strip is the only way you can tell.
I posted the time of 4.8 from the other mag with manual. What does that mean? Maybe tested on a colder day? Maybe better driver? So if you are looking at objective numbers than you are looking in the wrong area.

1. Test drive them back to back.
2. Take general consensus as that is usually better than one's opinion since one's butt dyno may be out of whack.
3. Logic in numbers. Almost identical hp and torque numbers with similiar slope, but elimination in lag and higher rpm would tell you faster launch hence quicker 0-60 and better power to redline would indicate higher speed and faster to 1/4 mile+
4. Wait for some drag strip runs with time slips between 335i mppk vs 340i.

With the 2nd statement I like to use the general consensus from people who have owned 335i mppk and upgraded to the 340i and people who have 335i and test drove the 340i because if you went for a test drive and the vehicle didn't feel much different and everyone else is saying there is a huge difference than it may be possible that there was something wrong with your demo test drive car. If I go test drive a 335i and 340i back to back and notice a huge difference and everyone else is saying the opposite than it is possible that the 335i that I went to test drive might have a problem etc. This is why I like to take the general consensus in such discussions and not eliminate the fact that I could be totally wrong and not just me noticing or not noticing the difference.

OK dude. I got it, no need to write a story.

[HitmanHearns]

Originally Posted by chaungo

My best time with MPPK 335i xdrive with non rft was 13.1

Just need someone to post theirs for 340i now.

Supposedly its stock. He had 4 passes. 110mph was the best trap.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

The Strongest N54/N55 out of the box was the 335is version 13.0/13.3 were pretty common top terminal speeds 110/108mph. B58 is a bit quicker from what I have seen.

In heads up racing the better reaction time has a good shot of winning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFjQ3qCV3rE

My best pure stock was 13.0 & 110.40 not on the same run. Older 2011 version of the JB4 (pre ISO with custom 335is code by Terry) & FMIC was 12.583/114.529 with crappy 2.0 60ft.



My 435MPPK/MPE has never been run so no real input other than its a 335HP version.

BMW Canada listed 342HP with the inclusion of the MPE in their M performance specs. You can take the Canada numbers with a grain of salt or not. Expect just like the 335is (319WHP on a 320BHP BMW number) the B58 is underrated by BMW.

[hollandog]

Originally Posted by deznium

That's the whole point and thanks for clarifying. These are small changes and nothing big. Some people (like me) and C&D did not notice much difference but some did like yourself. What I am trying to say is that people are coming here and giving subjective reasoning. All I am presenting is facts based on professional conducted tests. What you like and what I like does not really count that much.

I will probably not buy a 3 in the future. I think the only way to experience a true BMW these days is to buy a M car. For comfort I'd rather go with 5-series or a Benz.

Sorry but you sound like LCI bitter.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by hollandog

Sorry but you sound like LCI bitter.

No way man.... not everyone thinks like you.

[///M4ster Yoda]

I'll chime in. I've had 2 N55s and an N54 (335is). The IS was protuned and a complete beast. Wife and I enjoyed the N55 cars (e92 and F30). The new B58 cars feel faster with better exhaust and handling. Our lease is coming to an end and we debated keeping the F30 until we test drove the new B58 cars. The difference is noticeable.

[hollandog]

[440xiGCMsport]

we basically have 2 guys who don't notice the difference and then you have everyone else.

[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMsport

we basically have 2 guys who don't notice the difference and then you have everyone else.

And then we have you...Let me paraphrase. 'OMG!!!! Like the BMW B58 engine thingy is sooooo much faster than the MPPK N55 thing, like the feeling is OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG It's sooooo much OMG faster '