[TouringPleb]

Looking on Autotrader it seems the age of the 50k 1 series is upon us!

I know these are highly specced cars with individual paint, but that's actually the same retail price of my Merc E Class estate which is fully loaded!

The world's gone crazy!

[MY340i]

and Ps5 games are £74.99

[DaveA]

.... and you can do the same with the Golf R list prices, easily, if you tick the options boxes... and that's without an individual colour... let alone any premiums that might be currently charged due to lack of availability... I just got one to close to £54k on the Volkswagen site just now...

Too be fair, if you did the same with an E Class estate, you'd be up towards £70k, though, right...?

I looked at the purple 1 series and as well as the individual colour, there is also a ton of M Performance goodies on it... The crushed carbon stuff is not cheap...

[Abzynthe]

Jeez, my brother in law was selling a nearly new fully loaded black M135i with all the MP kit for 35k not long ago

[JustChris]

Bonkers save another £5k for a Macan S V6.380Hp and super low depreciation. Still AWD and a little more space.

No options I know but even poverty spec is good enough Vs a 1er.

£50k lololololololol

[pmgreenwood]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Bonkers save another £5k for a Macan S V6.380Hp and super low depreciation. Still AWD and a little more space.

No options I know but even poverty spec is good enough Vs a 1er.

£50k lololololololol

The waiting list for Macans is so long at present new 500 miles S with reasinable specced priced 10k above list at £75k and there is a 500 mile gts priced at 95K 16k above list

[DaveA]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Bonkers save another £5k for a Macan S V6.380Hp and super low depreciation. Still AWD and a little more space.

No options I know but even poverty spec is good enough Vs a 1er.

£50k lololololololol

It does illustrate the absurdity of going for custom colours and then going mad with the M Performance parts, doesn't it...

Having said that, these £50k+ cars are oddities, and most 135's will be significantly less than that, even with decent specifications... A Macan S with the same equipment as my 1-er (which has, I would say, 80% of the gizmos on offer) would be £24k more than I paid for my car... Some of the stuff Porsche make you pay extra for is standard even on the base spec BMW...

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by pmgreenwood

The waiting list for Macans is so long at present new 500 miles S with reasinable specced priced 10k above list at £75k and there is a 500 mile gts priced at 95K 16k above list

Indeed I am on Chester OPC list for an S.

It is really cool that individual paint is an option now on smaller models. I'd long been an advocate of 'let people spend what they want' and raise the quality on the lower models.

No one is forcing people to spent £50k but the option is there. Still a shocking thread in a way though, inflation plus chip shortage plus growing options brings us to this point.

[sahajesh]

All this talk of long wait times, it can't be an issue for someone on a PCP as they can order ahead of time anyway.

For my current car, I had a 6 month lead time as (I guess) BMW de-prioritise Forces sales. I'd started looking a year before the end of the previous PCP anyway.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by sahajesh

All this talk of long wait times, it can't be an issue for someone on a PCP as they can order ahead of time anyway.

For my current car, I had a 6 month lead time as (I guess) BMW de-prioritise Forces sales. I'd started looking a year before the end of the previous PCP anyway.

Wait? for a car? I'd want a different one well before it arrived!

I dont think I have ever done the factory order thing, except for my late wife's Mini - and she stropped and cancelled that before it arrived as it kept getting delayed....

(we did get a "coming into stock" car about 4 months later that had everything we had ordered and a bit more for less money...)

[sahajesh]

Waiting 12 months for a Porsche seems to me more like Porsche being d*cks and creating artificial delay - good for the "brand" after all.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by sahajesh

Waiting 12 months for a Porsche seems to me more like Porsche being d*cks and creating artificial delay - good for the "brand" after all.

You can get a Macan S quicker, only the GTS where they are now quoting 2023 for delivery!

[pmgreenwood]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Indeed I am on Chester OPC list for an S.

It is really cool that individual paint is an option now on smaller models. I'd long been an advocate of 'let people spend what they want' and raise the quality on the lower models.

No one is forcing people to spent £50k but the option is there. Still a shocking thread in a way though, inflation plus chip shortage plus growing options brings us to this point.

Trust you have been on the Uk Macan Forum to see views on specs etc

[DaveA]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Indeed I am on Chester OPC list for an S.

When the Macan first arrived I wasn't a massive fan but it has grown on me and I think it is more in the spirit of the brand than the larger 4-door Porsches are.. Base spec does not look too bad, but I note that they are asking you to add the driver assistance stuff as options whereas many of the systems are standard now on other manufacturer cars... £3,300 if you want them all...

Originally Posted by JustChris

It is really cool that individual paint is an option now on smaller models. I'd long been an advocate of 'let people spend what they want' and raise the quality on the lower models.

No one is forcing people to spent £50k but the option is there. Still a shocking thread in a way though, inflation plus chip shortage plus growing options brings us to this point.

I have to admit that were "money no option" an option for me I might have been tempted to have a 1-er in an individual colour...

[pmgreenwood]

Originally Posted by sahajesh

Waiting 12 months for a Porsche seems to me more like Porsche being d*cks and creating artificial delay - good for the "brand" after all.

Over the life of the Macan period from order to delivery has regularly varied between 3 months up to 30 months. When they have first announced it short up to 2years.

I was fortunate;y that I got in the day the Gen s became available to place a firm order so only had a four-month wait. Some of the Gen 3 changes have actually reduced the price paid for a similar spec car. Hence the increase in demand and a few of the recently delivered cars being back on the market at £10K to 15K above list

[TouringPleb]

I just found a great car on Auto Trader:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-det...02111189696206

Even more scary.. it seems the age of the £60k Skoda is upon us!

[Ennoch]

It's mental that the 1 series is the same price as list was on my 6yr old F31, but then again who actually paid that back then? Similarly my old FFRR had a list of about £48k in 2003, yet my dad's Evoque was £55k 6 years ago.

Ultimately I suspect a lot of these sky high list prices are being created artificially to make lease deals/service packs etc more desirable and thus trying to keep people within the dealer network. Supply and demand does come into it but the scale of increases is not down to increasing cost to the manufacturers; just look at their published profits for last year!