[Broncho]

Another classic in the making!

[teaston]

Originally Posted by juwivive

No-one's asking for more rights than anyone else? Women's groups, for example, are asking for "equal pay for equal work".

Then again, expecting someone as spectacularly misinformed, prejudiced and entitled as you are not to distort things deliberately is rather naive, isn't it?

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by teaston

That a child is better off with a gay couple than a straight couple!!

Are you not firing on all cylinders today Tengo?

The column had a number of potentially contentious viewpoints, so just wasn't sure what you'd been referring to exactly.

I think if he had said that then plenty of people would have quite rightly said it's nonsense. Can't imagine it would have gone down that well with the typical DM reader though.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Darth Helmut

Scene setter;

I dont like the Daily Mail and am not a fan of Littlejohn and am not enamoured by how the BBC report news.

But.

He wrote in his DM column that his ideal would for a happy female/male relationship to bring up sprogs (read the full content). I think all he was doing was confirming or highlighting basic human evolution. And most importantly, voicing his opinion based on his values and upbringing.

Various sponsors or providers of the DM have overtly said they will not circulate the paper based on his remarks.

Seriously??

Is this the world we live in now? If you don't endorse or agree or even neutrally passively confirm a minority, you will be ostracised? Is it because he is over 30 years old and cannot defend his supposed 'outdated' opinion via some form of socialmeeja loudly his opinion is wrong? Are the companies who have overtly and vocally dropped his paper right to do so? If so, they must be clearly endorsing gay couples regardless of whether they are suitable over heterosexual couples?

His comments were not akin to burning Jews or murdering gays but simply passing his personal opinion; he possibly disagrees with a gay couple being seen as the default. Seems personal opinion now has the same stigma as fascism/Nazism/dont agree so I'll kill you-ism.

Quandary. Would like to know if these are the same people who endorse mass, unfiltered immigration from the Islamic world. If so, would love to be a fly on the wall when they bring up the same subject matter.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43093154


Due to the poor decision making of under 30s (millenials), we should invoke a reverse Logans Run policy. Those of a certain age will understand this....

I hate all this political correctness bollocks and prefer people just say it how it is Gene Hunt style personally ...

I am a straight man but not homophobic, I have no problem with gay people, and I judge people as to whether or not I like them by the person they are (their personality in general) not their sexual preference, and the same applies to religion and skin colour.

What I will say though is that being gay is not the 'norm' and anyone who tries to say otherwise is just trying to be politically correct and not offend minoroties. The norm As nature intended is to biologically reproduce and for this to occur naturally you need a male and a female, this is how our species evolved. We are basically intended by nature to reproduce as all life on the planet is, even a virus tries to reproduce and spread to survive.

This would not get published in any Column today of course for fear of offending, and no offence is intended to any homosexual men or women on this forum. I see no reason why his oppinion should offend and not be published in his column though.

Logan's run .. great bit of 70s sci fi, who remembers the series too?

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Hooded

What I will say though is that being gay is not the 'norm' and anyone who tries to say otherwise is just trying to be politically correct and not offend minoroties. The norm As nature intended is to biologically reproduce and for this to occur naturally you need a male and a female, this is how our species evolved. We are basically intended by nature to reproduce as all life on the planet is, even a virus tries to reproduce and spread to survive.

What is your point here exactly? What if someone can't reproduce naturally?

[/QUOTE]Logan's run .. great bit of 70s sci fi, who remembers the series too? [/QUOTE]

I remember that I had a thing for Jenny Agutter when I was a teenager and loved that she gets naked in it!

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

What is your point here exactly? What if someone can't reproduce naturally?

If someone can't reproduce naturally it's natures way of saying don't reproduce.

[bodtwo]

ooh Jenny Agutter...

As for the DM etc freedom of choice whether you read that shit or let it's opinion have an impact on your life. Same with advertisers, freedom of choice as to how they best leverage potential revenue from their target demographic.

I care not a jot either way, for mr daley, but i wish him all the joy and happiness a small person can bring and at the same time people on twatter etc will continue to do what people on twatter do.

And honestly, i'm still just thinking of Jenny Agutter, so reminds me of my history teacher in comp. Her breasts got me through education.

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by bodtwo

ooh Jenny Agutter...

As for the DM etc freedom of choice whether you read that shit or let it's opinion have an impact on your life. Same with advertisers, freedom of choice as to how they best leverage potential revenue from their target demographic.

I care not a jot either way, for mr daley, but i wish him all the joy and happiness a small person can bring and at the same time people on twatter etc will continue to do what people on twatter do.

And honestly, i'm still just thinking of Jenny Agutter, so reminds me of my history teacher in comp. Her breasts got me through education.

Off to Google Jenny Agutter, ooh that's one hell of a bush

[mcoops]

Hello everyone. I'm a straight, white, middle-class white man on a BMW forum. I'd just like to say from the outset, I'm definitely, definitely not prejudiced in any way. Apart from anything else, my self-image is that I'm a 'good person', so being prejudiced wouldn't fit with that.

I have absolutely no problem with (gay/black/muslim - delete as appropriate) people. Or women. Heck, I even know some. They are perfectly nice - just like me in fact.

Everyone should just be equal. In fact they are, aren't they? As a white, middle-class, straight man, I am absolutely best placed to judge whether minorities are treated properly. What I can't stand, is when minorities say they actually don't get treated the same. It's unbelievably irritating. I can't bear it when a normal guy like Littlejohn can't say what we're all thinking without getting blasted for it. It's free speech right? But these people disagreeing with him (publicly! On social media!!) are really abusing that free speech. Where's the gratitude? They should be thankful, as a minority, to enjoy these rights. Just not to use them too much, or too loudly.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

If someone can't reproduce naturally it's natures way of saying don't reproduce.

Mother Nature didn't give us wings, but we still used our human ingenuity to fly. So if that same ingenuity affords those with fertility issues the hope of having a family then are you suggesting that they shouldn't, or that it's wrong?

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

What is your point here exactly? What if someone can't reproduce naturally?

Logan's run .. great bit of 70s sci fi, who remembers the series too? [/QUOTE]

I remember that I had a thing for Jenny Agutter when I was a teenager and loved that she gets naked in it! [/QUOTE]

There is nothing wrong with not being able to reproduce naturally,many people have to use IVF etc, I am supporting this comment ...

He wrote in his DM column that his ideal would for a happy female/male relationship to bring up sprogs (read the full content). I think all he was doing was confirming or highlighting basic human evolution. And most importantly, voicing his opinion based on his values and upbringing.

..that he was simply confirming or highlighting basic human evolution and his own oppinion based on his values and upbringing.
Is it not basic human evolution that a male and female is required to produce a child (become parents naturally)?

Oh yes ...Jenny Agutter in her prime

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Mother Nature didn't give us wings, but we still used our human ingenuity to fly. So if that same ingenuity affords those with fertility issues the hope of having a family then are you suggesting that they shouldn't, or that it's wrong?

Nature lets the fittest survive and reproduce for a reason, it keeps the gene pool at its best.

You wouldn't breed an animal that had a known defect.

To circumvent this by using medicine is not ideal for the above reasons, when you add emotion and peoples wants then all of the above changes.

It's obviously very personal to a lot of people but my initial point is valid that in nature the weak don't survive or breed.

Regarding flying, I appreciate that you wanted to be a pilot and ultimately failed but that's my point they only take the best the ones without defects.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

Nature lets the fittest survive and reproduce for a reason, it keeps the gene pool at its best.

You wouldn't breed an animal that had a known defect.

To circumvent this by using medicine is not ideal for the above reasons, when you add emotion and peoples wants then all of the above changes.

It's obviously very personal to a lot of people but my initial point is valid that in nature the weak don't survive or breed.

Regarding flying, I appreciate that you wanted to be a pilot and ultimately failed but that's my point they only take the best the ones without defects.

It's also a reason why most people are naturally subconsciously more attracted to symmetrical faces, as it shows better genes for reproducing.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by juwivive

No-one's asking for more rights than anyone else? Women's groups, for example, are asking for "equal pay for equal work".

Then again, expecting someone as spectacularly misinformed, prejudiced and entitled as you are not to distort things deliberately is rather naive, isn't it?

Can we please just have Lobb back, it's too hard to keep up with all this.

[Darth Helmut]

Lordy lordy

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

Nature lets the fittest survive and reproduce for a reason, it keeps the gene pool at its best.

You wouldn't breed an animal that had a known defect.

To circumvent this by using medicine is not ideal for the above reasons, when you add emotion and peoples wants then all of the above changes.

It's obviously very personal to a lot of people but my initial point is valid that in nature the weak don't survive or breed.

Regarding flying, I appreciate that you wanted to be a pilot and ultimately failed but that's my point they only take the best the ones without defects.

Too simplistic.

My wife had something that made her blood clot a little too much. She had to take a miniscule amount of aspirin to go from two miscarriages to a perfectly healthy little boy. What she has isn't hereditary, the boys can't get it and it can't be passed to future generations, so what was nature protecting?

Oh hang on, before I walk into this, it might have been natures way of stopping me reproducing.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Alex440

Too simplistic.

My wife had something that made her blood clot a little too much. She had to take a miniscule amount of aspirin to go from two miscarriages to a perfectly healthy little boy. What she has isn't hereditary, the boys can't get it and it can't be passed to future generations, so what was nature protecting?

Oh hang on, before I walk into this, it might have been natures way of stopping me reproducing.

It might not be hereditary but sadly without modern medicine she most likely wouldn't have reproduced. Sometimes things in life are just bad luck, like having an accident that's not your fault.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Hooded

It might not be hereditary but sadly without modern medicine she most likely wouldn't have reproduced. Sometimes things in life are just bad luck, like having an accident that's not your fault.

I understand that, and it was really the point I was making. Nature wasn't protecting anything.

Likewise if an infertile couple are perfectly healthy in every other way and they can't pass on the infertility, nature is protecting bugger all.

Maybe we should all stop brushing our teeth and going to the dentist and die at 40 because we can't chew our food. All medicine prolongs life and increases the population, why single out infertility treatment?!

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by Alex440

Too simplistic.

My wife had something that made her blood clot a little too much. She had to take a miniscule amount of aspirin to go from two miscarriages to a perfectly healthy little boy. What she has isn't hereditary, the boys can't get it and it can't be passed to future generations, so what was nature protecting?

Oh hang on, before I walk into this, it might have been natures way of stopping me reproducing.

As I said it's a very personal and emotional topic and one that I know is going to cause strong emotion.

If you can't have kids naturally without any medical help at all then it's natures way of saying it doesn't want you to have kids.

I would say after that 100% perfect gene pool position there are degrees of how much does medicine intervene to allow a person to reproduce and at what point should medicine just stop as you are intervening too much

[bodtwo]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

Off to Google Jenny Agutter, ooh that's one hell of a bush

I think bush is under rated. Element of surprise and all that.

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Originally Posted by JLR1969

Nature lets the fittest survive and reproduce for a reason, it keeps the gene pool at its best.

You wouldn't breed an animal that had a known defect.

To circumvent this by using medicine is not ideal for the above reasons, when you add emotion and peoples wants then all of the above changes.

It's obviously very personal to a lot of people but my initial point is valid that in nature the weak don't survive or breed.

Regarding flying, I appreciate that you wanted to be a pilot and ultimately failed but that's my point they only take the best the ones without defects.

fuck me, seriously?

Have you been to Wolverhampton? Been to East Anglia?

If Mother Nature was really on the ball we would be due a cull about now.

Unfortunately the average Chav will eat just about anything, this means they have a better chance of surviving, additionally they breed like fucking rabbits.

I think the human gene pool is decided on who can shag the most, at the moment that's the great unwashed.

We really need a passing asteroid to sort out the world.

[Darth Helmut]

Originally Posted by Brigand

We really need a passing asteroid to sort out the world.

Amen to that. Fear not, the human race will cause its own extinction. Overpopulation for one thing. An ant colony maintains stability by considering the whole colony and not the individual. Does that make Ants cleverer than us?