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Even if the setup is challenge and response that is still susceptible to a relay attack. The relay links are two way so when the car sends a signal out it is related to the key and when the key responds with its code that's relayed back to the car. The bottom line is the key communicates with the car via an RF signal which can be intercepted and relayed. |
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I’ve heard that they’ve resolved the issue on newer cars. I know two people that have had their BMWs with comfort access stolen - personally I’ve avoided Comfort Access on all of our cars. If if did have it I’d get a faraday / RFID pouch and consider a steering lock. We have CCTV covering the drive so that’s another thing that could be a deterrent but having seen footage of these thefts they’re pretty good at covering their faces and keeping their other car out of sight. |
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01-12-2019, 02:05 PM | #25 |
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its really annoying these days,it makes you think if its worth having anything nice.
basically if they want your car they will get it whatever it takes im afraid. there not bothered about security or cctv,so if you over protect everything they will just break in and threaten you for the keys... there a different breed of vermin these days no police around when things happen,prisons are like holiday camps if your that way inclined so this is only going to get worse.. |
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01-12-2019, 03:20 PM | #26 | |
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But, if it makes you feel more secure, keep it in the pouch, not like it's doing any harm I guess. |
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01-12-2019, 03:27 PM | #27 | |
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In a lot of cities, that sort of break in happens a lot. A few years ago in south Sheffield people were being followed home from work and criminals were forcibly taking the keys as people entered their homes. Least secure time. But in other areas it really isn't as much of a risk. That's why insurance companies have postcode zones to identify the worst areas, and there is a huge risk difference between best and worst. Chesterfield is somewhere beteeen the middle and lowest risk. I'm reliably informed by a local policeman friend that the thieves in Chesterfield currently aren't all that sophisticated. A newish alarm box on the side of the house is usually enough to make them walk on to a softer target. There's not much targeting of cars and it's generally more opportunistic theft. Different 10 miles up the road in Sheffield though. |
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So the real question you want answered is, once you have gained access to the vehicle if it detects the key is present will it start even if the immobiliser hasn't been deactivated first by using the key fob to open the door?
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So it appears with the normal key the immobilizer is only disarmed on pressing the open button on the fob and in that case I don't think I'll be bothering with the RF bag now. |
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01-13-2019, 08:08 AM | #34 | |
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If that's the case then that's good for the cars without comfort access |
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Thanks for testing it.....it does clarify the theory. |
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I have GAP, Disklock and auto watch ghost. The house has CCTV
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Nice. I might not leave my keys on view. But they are easily found in a drawer by the front door if anyone kicks the door down.
One other thing I do is make sure our cars are parked in reverse on the drive. Don't catch the eye as much, because it's not easy to see exactly what they are for someone driving or walking by. |
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May also have to double check that once locked, it will deadlock the doors. |
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01-15-2019, 04:24 AM | #40 | ||
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You can check the immobiliser is active by checking the led under the rear view mirror is flashing. |
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The range is very short and it will only work inside the car. Basically I was outside of the car when I locked it but I had left the window open so I reached in, put the keys back inside and then pressed the button. |
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For example using a jammer so that when you press the button to lock the car, the signal is jammed leaving you thinking the car is locked, but it's not. Older BMWs it was possible to introduce new keys by getting data from OBD port. This is no longer possible with newer cars and I think older cars can have a firmware update to prevent the key data from being accessible via OBD For newer cars this might be possible to crack the key code and produce a clone key, but from what I have seen the adverts for this solution are fake and the only way I know works is get a key from a dealer. Olde cars you can get clone keys for sure |
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