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      06-20-2018, 02:15 PM   #23
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Will it also impact the 4 series? like 440? Or mostly the F30?
There is nothing particularly different in the context of depreciation between the two, they will suffer the same fate, albeit a prolonged one due to the later release of the G series 4.
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G20 2019 3 Series finally handles like a real 3 series.Good Bye failed F30

I have driven the e90 since new 2008. RWD,6 Speed.
In Canada comes with Different standard option: Xenon lights.
Logic 7 , power heated mirror etc..

The F30 was and still is a failure. I recently refreshed my suspension,
new front and rear struts, control arm bushings etc.. The car is far superior in handling ( Base suspension with 16 Continental runflats ) than the Msport 328i X drive I had back to back.

The F30 Floats ( at speeds of 130 and above the e90 settles down and is super agile and accurate).. The F30 is not connected. Try a senna curve and you see the dynamics are off.. the e90 still brings joy and until i find another BMW that replaces the enjoyment it will remain..

The G20 will cause the f30 to lose more in value because it is not representative of how a BMW handles, for those who have had the generations before.

i.e 911 Porsche (996) is worth less than the 993.. ( it lost something important to previous owners of Porsche brand)..

REad this article is hit it:

btw: I have driven every model 2012-2018 3 series.. small improvements over the years, but not hitting the mark. The G20 will be the car I was waiting for to park besides the E90.

http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...to-up-its-game
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F30 vs G20 suspension. Why the f30 failed to impress

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Yeah because the mainstream car buying public gives a shit whether its the E46, E90 or F30. This statement has zero basis in reality, other than your bias because you drive an E90. F30s are depreciating around the same rate that just about any used luxury sport sedan has. High rate of depreciation for the 1st 5 years and then it evens out. As if the E90 is holding its value better because it has brick heavy steering, ultra outdated tech and iDrive and an inefficient straight 6 with a 6 speed slushbox thats like molasses... because used car buyers are totally on the lookout for cars like that. You nailed it
http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...to-up-its-game

The F30 4 Cylinder sound very bad, so much so people dont buy it.
The Interior has lost quality and feel. The Inline 6 is the most awarded engine and far superior in feel and sound... do you remember or have you not driven any thing but a turbo4... Drive a merc 8 or 12 cyl... smooth feeling can never be reproduced in feel and enjoyment. I wont mention power delivery ..all different. The F30 is a car you drive, not a car you enjoy driving..its forgettable, like an average meal.. you will forget.

BMW looks at numbers ..sales... that's why they are working on getting the magic back.. what you say is the opposite of BMW present day thinking.

do you remember.

For those who compare their tired e90 to a newly purchased F30 will have forgotten what is was like ( if all the suspension is worn) struts and bushings need replacement.. so easy to forget. Every time I have the F30 ( M Sport 330 x Drive loaded) I long to be back in my car.
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Eh ...value of my 2016 F36 428i is already bad....lol. I can't trade this shit anyway. Too much lost on value. So what I do is take care of the car and drive it for a while😁
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Eh ...value of my 2016 F36 428i is already bad....lol. I can't trade this shit anyway. Too much lost on value. So what I do is take care of the car and drive it for a while
My 2016 LCI isn't worth much will likely get a mission tuning reflash so I can get 400 whp and smoke the G20 M340i
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I have driven the e90 since new 2008. RWD,6 Speed.
In Canada comes with Different standard option: Xenon lights.
Logic 7 , power heated mirror etc..

The F30 was and still is a failure. I recently refreshed my suspension,
new front and rear struts, control arm bushings etc.. The car is far superior in handling ( Base suspension with 16 Continental runflats ) than the Msport 328i X drive I had back to back.

The F30 Floats ( at speeds of 130 and above the e90 settles down and is super agile and accurate).. The F30 is not connected. Try a senna curve and you see the dynamics are off.. the e90 still brings joy and until i find another BMW that replaces the enjoyment it will remain..

The G20 will cause the f30 to lose more in value because it is not representative of how a BMW handles, for those who have had the generations before.

i.e 911 Porsche (996) is worth less than the 993.. ( it lost something important to previous owners of Porsche brand)..

REad this article is hit it:

btw: I have driven every model 2012-2018 3 series.. small improvements over the years, but not hitting the mark. The G20 will be the car I was waiting for to park besides the E90.

http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...to-up-its-game
Holy Hell, I sure hope so, otherwise you'll have to be miserable for another 10 years talking about how BMW lost it's way to the G20 crowd. BMW give this man some relief, he's had enough.
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      08-17-2018, 04:44 PM   #29
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You can already get F30 cars with clean title for about $12k
Literally bought my 2013 328i xDrive for 13k cash with every package but the upgraded halo lights. And that was August 2017 lol these cars take a huge plummet.


70k miles btw now it has 78k
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I'm in this industry. I will tell that yes it will impact the value. But it's a BMW they depreciate hard like most luxury. Just be glad it's not a Cadillac or Jaguar.

The F30 vs E90 thing is laughable. The F30 is not a failure or tanking worse than the E90. The F30 is, and will continue to be, worth more until it, like the E90 bottoms out. To think otherwise is delusional.

And anyone that thinks a base suspension E90 handles better than a M Sport F30 is kidding themselves. Yes the F30 is not the usual "Ultimate Driving Machine" evolution from the E90 people wanted but at least live in reality. Sport vs Sport I could agree the E90 may be more fun though. I went from a base E90 to M Sport F30. Both rwd and 6 speed, the F30 is absolutely the better handler.
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I'm in this industry. I will tell that yes it will impact the value. But it's a BMW they depreciate hard like most luxury. Just be glad it's not a Cadillac or Jaguar.

The F30 vs E90 thing is laughable. The F30 is not a failure or tanking worse than the E90. The F30 is, and will continue to be, worth more until it, like the E90 bottoms out. To think otherwise is delusional.

And anyone that thinks a base suspension E90 handles better than a M Sport F30 is kidding themselves. Yes the F30 is not the usual "Ultimate Driving Machine" evolution from the E90 people wanted but at least live in reality. Sport vs Sport I could agree the E90 may be more fun though. I went from a base E90 to M Sport F30. Both rwd and 6 speed, the F30 is absolutely the better handler.
No you didn't just blurted that out....here come the flame
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No you didn't just blurted that out....here come the flame
I prefer to live in reality. 🙂 The guy complaining about his MSport F30 has an Xdrive which unless he has DHP is still rocking the soft base suspension.
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I have driven the e90 since new 2008. RWD,6 Speed.
In Canada comes with Different standard option: Xenon lights.
Logic 7 , power heated mirror etc..

The F30 was and still is a failure. I recently refreshed my suspension,
new front and rear struts, control arm bushings etc.. The car is far superior in handling ( Base suspension with 16 Continental runflats ) than the Msport 328i X drive I had back to back.

The F30 Floats ( at speeds of 130 and above the e90 settles down and is super agile and accurate).. The F30 is not connected. Try a senna curve and you see the dynamics are off.. the e90 still brings joy and until i find another BMW that replaces the enjoyment it will remain..

The G20 will cause the f30 to lose more in value because it is not representative of how a BMW handles, for those who have had the generations before.

i.e 911 Porsche (996) is worth less than the 993.. ( it lost something important to previous owners of Porsche brand)..

REad this article is hit it:

btw: I have driven every model 2012-2018 3 series.. small improvements over the years, but not hitting the mark. The G20 will be the car I was waiting for to park besides the E90.

http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...to-up-its-game
If you dislike the f30 so much, why not go to the e90 and g20 forums and make positive contributions, instead of coming here and shitting on our cars and spreading negativity.
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I'm in this industry. I will tell that yes it will impact the value. But it's a BMW they depreciate hard like most luxury. Just be glad it's not a Cadillac or Jaguar.

The F30 vs E90 thing is laughable. The F30 is not a failure or tanking worse than the E90. The F30 is, and will continue to be, worth more until it, like the E90 bottoms out. To think otherwise is delusional.

And anyone that thinks a base suspension E90 handles better than a M Sport F30 is kidding themselves. Yes the F30 is not the usual "Ultimate Driving Machine" evolution from the E90 people wanted but at least live in reality. Sport vs Sport I could agree the E90 may be more fun though. I went from a base E90 to M Sport F30. Both rwd and 6 speed, the F30 is absolutely the better handler.
No you didn't just blurted that out....here come the flame
He said he prefers f30 msport to a base e90, so what. Should we worry that someone with an old e90 beater is going to say something mean? Oh no!
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http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...to-up-its-game

The F30 4 Cylinder sound very bad, so much so people dont buy it.
The Interior has lost quality and feel. The Inline 6 is the most awarded engine and far superior in feel and sound... do you remember or have you not driven any thing but a turbo4... Drive a merc 8 or 12 cyl... smooth feeling can never be reproduced in feel and enjoyment. I wont mention power delivery ..all different. The F30 is a car you drive, not a car you enjoy driving..its forgettable, like an average meal.. you will forget.

BMW looks at numbers ..sales... that's why they are working on getting the magic back.. what you say is the opposite of BMW present day thinking.

do you remember.

For those who compare their tired e90 to a newly purchased F30 will have forgotten what is was like ( if all the suspension is worn) struts and bushings need replacement.. so easy to forget. Every time I have the F30 ( M Sport 330 x Drive loaded) I long to be back in my car.
Yeah, you're right, BMW didn't sell any F30s. No one bought it
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Interestingly enough, while e90s and e92s continue to plummet, e91 m sport wagons are holding value. I recently saw a 2011 m sport sell for 15k!
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New G20 suspension will make you forget the F30

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I'm in this industry. I will tell that yes it will impact the value. But it's a BMW they depreciate hard like most luxury. Just be glad it's not a Cadillac or Jaguar.

The F30 vs E90 thing is laughable. The F30 is not a failure or tanking worse than the E90. The F30 is, and will continue to be, worth more until it, like the E90 bottoms out. To think otherwise is delusional.

And anyone that thinks a base suspension E90 handles better than a M Sport F30 is kidding themselves. Yes the F30 is not the usual "Ultimate Driving Machine" evolution from the E90 people wanted but at least live in reality. Sport vs Sport I could agree the E90 may be more fun though. I went from a base E90 to M Sport F30. Both rwd and 6 speed, the F30 is absolutely the better handler.


Quote: reference to G20 in comparison to watered down (Failed Chasis of F30)
"seventh generation of the Roundelís venerable sedan is a dynamic about-face from its watered-down predecessor. It just felt right."

...work started on this car, code-named G20, in 2014, and itís clear from the deep-rooted tweaking that his team was well aware that the previous 3-series had lost too much of its road-taming allure. Van As says the overwhelming priority was to improve the 3ís dynamics without sacrificing ride comfort.

Ref: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-sedan-driven

Pretty good review of what is coming and BMW own acknowledgment of what was lost in the f30 chassis.

The F30 tried to hard to please using trickery suspension. They are going back to tuning a truly balanced chassis and suspension.

driving the e90 has been a joy, something I can't say with the F30.
No complaints, only through experience I look forward to the new G20.

The F30 has its place but market share loss to its competitors is a reality and such is why they are working to Return to chassis kinematics..
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Quote: reference to G20 in comparison to watered down (Failed Chasis of F30) <----- Totally not added in by you
"seventh generation of the Roundel’s venerable sedan is a dynamic about-face from its watered-down predecessor. It just felt right."

...work started on this car, code-named G20, in 2014, and it’s clear from the deep-rooted tweaking that his team was well aware that the previous 3-series had lost too much of its road-taming allure. Van As says the overwhelming priority was to improve the 3’s dynamics without sacrificing ride comfort.

Ref: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-sedan-driven

Pretty good review of what is coming and BMW own acknowledgment of what was lost in the f30 chassis.

The F30 tried to hard to please using trickery suspension. They are going back to tuning a truly balanced chassis and suspension.

driving the e90 has been a joy, something I can't say with the F30.
No complaints, only through experience I look forward to the new G20.

The F30 has its place but market share loss to its competitors is a reality and such is why they are working to Return to chassis kinematics..
You're about 7 years too late with your comparisons.

The E90 is an E46 put on a strict diet of butter sticks and pasta.

There will be troves complaining about the G20 as well, it's just the cool thing to do.
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Quote: reference to G20 in comparison to watered down (Failed Chasis of F30) <----- Totally not added in by you
"seventh generation of the Roundel's venerable sedan is a dynamic about-face from its watered-down predecessor. It just felt right."

...work started on this car, code-named G20, in 2014, and it's clear from the deep-rooted tweaking that his team was well aware that the previous 3-series had lost too much of its road-taming allure. Van As says the overwhelming priority was to improve the 3's dynamics without sacrificing ride comfort.

Ref: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-sedan-driven

Pretty good review of what is coming and BMW own acknowledgment of what was lost in the f30 chassis.

The F30 tried to hard to please using trickery suspension. They are going back to tuning a truly balanced chassis and suspension.

driving the e90 has been a joy, something I can't say with the F30.
No complaints, only through experience I look forward to the new G20.

The F30 has its place but market share loss to its competitors is a reality and such is why they are working to Return to chassis kinematics..
You're about 7 years too late with your comparisons.

The E90 is an E46 put on a strict diet of butter sticks and pasta.

There will be troves complaining about the G20 as well, it's just the cool thing to do.
G20 bashing has already begun. It won't have a stick shift option, it's too big, don't like the way it looks, not different enough from the f30, blah, blah, blah. All this and it hasn't even been released yet. The f30 was a great overall car if optioned to one's liking, and I'm sure the g20 will be even better, as each subsequent generation should be.
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I get notices from my dealership that they'll take my car I'm buying and put me in a new 2018 lease. They tell me my '15 GC is worth about $18K. LOL. It only has 22K miles on it. Screw you, dealership!
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I get notices from my dealership that they'll take my car I'm buying and put me in a new 2018 lease. They tell me my '15 GC is worth about $18K. LOL. It only has 22K miles on it. Screw you, dealership!
That sound good if you own nothing when they take your car and put you on for a buy/finance 2018🤣
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I'm always on Auto Trader just checking out cars and the prices. The E90 dropped in value after about 2 years after the F30 came out. It seems like the 330i and 335i dropped more in value than the 328i, I'm thinking maybe because it's more in demand in the second hand market. If you're looking to get a F30/32 I'd wait at least 1.5 after the G20 is out if you're trying to get a good deal. End of the year preferably. The dealers always want to get rid of old inventory.
Some owners try not to put too many miles on their car because they're in fear of low resale value. I think if you like your car just use it and don't worry about that.
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I get notices from my dealership that they'll take my car I'm buying and put me in a new 2018 lease. They tell me my '15 GC is worth about $18K. LOL. It only has 22K miles on it. Screw you, dealership!
LOL dealerships always rip you off. Especially on trade-ins.
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The F30 4 Cylinder sound very bad, so much so people dont buy it.
The Interior has lost quality and feel. The Inline 6 is the most awarded engine and far superior in feel and sound... do you remember or have you not driven any thing but a turbo4... Drive a merc 8 or 12 cyl... smooth feeling can never be reproduced in feel and enjoyment. I wont mention power delivery ..all different. The F30 is a car you drive, not a car you enjoy driving..its forgettable, like an average meal.. you will forget.

BMW looks at numbers ..sales... that's why they are working on getting the magic back.. what you say is the opposite of BMW present day thinking.

do you remember.

For those who compare their tired e90 to a newly purchased F30 will have forgotten what is was like ( if all the suspension is worn) struts and bushings need replacement.. so easy to forget. Every time I have the F30 ( M Sport 330 x Drive loaded) I long to be back in my car.
A BMW 3 series isnít really a performance car. I have an f32 and donít really look at it for that. Iíd youre looking for performance, there are way better options in the price range.
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