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      08-11-2018, 03:22 AM   #23
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The thread is a year old but it came back to life../
I wonder if the OP agrees with his decision a year later.
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      08-11-2018, 04:48 AM   #24
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The thread is a year old but it came back to life../
I'm glad it did. It's still relevant, I hadn't seen it yet, and I found it to be an interesting thread.
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i wish bmw would bring back the m3 e92 v8 engine
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      08-12-2018, 04:45 PM   #26
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Interesting as yes old thread yet imho very relevant. Also drove the M4 versus 435i before deciding on the 435i. Considering the Dinan, M LSD, ER, DV+, Fabspeed expenses... some of which came with car deal, easily take the 435i over the M4. Yes it is personal preferences on suspension 704, etc, ....

For me, MY preference, the modded 435i has incredibly smooth and powerful delivery all the way to redline. The 8AT is really well-tuned for daily and fun use. Smooth car in comfort, and nicely smooth delivery with ease of exceptional power in Fun Mode. The M4 seemed rough around the edges and **too eager** to deliver power. M4 sounds nice.... i make more power with far quieter cabin. Also makes enjoying music more, well, enjoyable.

The M4 steering 'feel' was the single-worst POS i ever felt in a car bar none. The 435i isnt much better, yet it is better.

My wife's 2013 X1 is a blast to drive for what it is. Steering feel is epic and handling is surprisingly balanced fun... for a N20 powered car on Michelin tires.


Jmho ymmv

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Why? Because it sounds better, spends more fuel and every other sporty car can run circles around it nowadays?
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i love my 440, but m is m, no comparison
Exactly.
If you want quiet, dampened, comfortable ride, stay away from an M.
I went from the 335 M-sport to an F80 and everything that the OP mentioned is completely exaggerated (minus the DCT which I do not have).
It is my daily, and it is a wonderful ride (I always use sport mode suspension, never Comfort).
I have never lost traction in 6 months of the ownership
Yes, it rattles more than my (2015) F30 did
The steering is light years ahead of the F30
The 6MT is also way better
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i wish bmw would bring back the m3 e92 v8 engine
It was a rush to wind out that engine. The problem is it felt more like an old 3 series with an extra stiff suspension around town. It was difficult to enjoy it fully as a daily driver on public roads, and remain within the confines of the law and safe driving. I love the way the e90/92 m3 look too though. Actually imo, all generations of m3 look great, including the current f80/82.
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i love my 440, but m is m, no comparison
Totally agree. For a daily driver, i can see ppl saying there's not enough appreciable difference but i'm sure the guys running it hard on the track like Tuner Motorsport and bimmerworld would hugely disagree.
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Exactly.
If you want quiet, dampened, comfortable ride, stay away from an M.
I went from the 335 M-sport to an F80 and everything that the OP mentioned is completely exaggerated (minus the DCT which I do not have).
It is my daily, and it is a wonderful ride (I always use sport mode suspension, never Comfort).
I have never lost traction in 6 months of the ownership
Yes, it rattles more than my (2015) F30 did
The steering is light years ahead of the F30
The 6MT is also way better
This would send me up the wall...a car that costs as much as an M3/4 should not rattle. My 2015 335 vibrates in the dash while driving on concrete roads (not smooth blacktop), has a rattle in the passenger side door, and its enough that Im constantly thinking about buying another car. inexcusable build quality imo.

My 2009 328, after 10 years, not a single rattle or vibration. And I drove it pretty hard around town. Never had anything that was built that solid.
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Why? Because it sounds better, spends more fuel and every other sporty car can run circles around it nowadays?
What current car in the $60 to $70k price range not from Porsche or a Corvette can do 0-60 in the low 4 second range?
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What current car in the $60 to $70k price range not from Porsche or a Corvette can do 0-60 in the low 4 second range?
https://www.caranddriver.com/audi/rs3

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What current car in the $60 to $70k price range not from Porsche or a Corvette can do 0-60 in the low 4 second range?
https://www.caranddriver.com/audi/rs3

The RS3 does, and it's a great little car. It probably won't feel nearly as balanced as any m3 (or bmw 2,3, or 4 series) on a twisty back road or track though, because it has a transverse engine layout (fwd configuration) with more weight distributed in front of the front axle.
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I'll bite on this old/resurrected thread and throw in my $0.02 as I've owned both:

I drove a 435i for the past 4 years and when the lease was up this past May I made the jump into an M3 ZCP.

The only regret I have with my decision was not getting into the M3 right from the start. Don't make the same mistake I did!

In my opinion this shouldn't even be a debate if someone is planning on spending the same amount of money:

M3/4>>>>440i with mods/tunes

But that's just me. Go test drive each and decide for yourself.
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Till they went turbo would not get an M for a street driven car. With the turbo its superior to the 435/440 as a dual purpose street & track day car.
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People always say you can make your car sound better, add a flash, etc...but the bottom line is the M is so much more than 0-60 figures and straightline that if you have not extensively driven nor owned both you won't understand.

It's two completely different cars. All an M4 shares with a basic 4 series is some interior components and that is about it. Completely different transmission, engine, handling, suspension, structure, cooling, etc. That's a lot more than adding a tune to a 4 series and calling it a day. You might keep up with the M or even beat it on the street with some modification...but again that's missing the point.

That's not to say some might argue price and value and the 435/440 modded is certainly a good value for what it is. But if you are one to mod and potentially risk warranty anyway...why not start with the better platform in the S55 to begin with.

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Lmao. Anyone who thinks the interior of a m4 is nastier than that shitty Dakota leather he's already in isn't worthy of a conversation.

OP has zero clue about cars. Pack it up and go home
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      08-16-2018, 08:18 AM   #40
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That's not to say some might argue price and value and the 435/440 modded is certainly a good value for what it is. But if you are one to mod and potentially risk warranty anyway...why not start with the better platform in the S55 to begin with.
Good point, up to a point. The M4 is indeed great for track and a fun drive, but as a smoother DD with power it aint. IMHO it boils down to feel and performance, and what overall experience you want from your car. i totally get thew whole M thing, yet a loud high-ish strung car is not always what someone is seeking. BMW's M4 steering 'feel' was the HUGE deal breaker for me. Could simply not get past how badly it 'felt' at providing proper driver feedback.

But hey, the great news is that we have soooo many choices. What you prefer may be different than what another driver does. So it's great BMW has so many choices on offer, as do aftermarket tuners and their products.

Enjoy the M4, she is a great performance car by the numbers for a BMW car.
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With the early reviews of the new G20, it looks like this comparison is going to be much harder to pick a comprehensive winner from in the next gen 4er. M Sport models are going to gain not only heavily improved dampers, they're getting reinforced bushings as well which is hugely important for feel. Also, it looks like the next gen cars are going to be dropping a good amount of weight, this is honestly what I'm most eager to see the numbers on.

Ignoring the slew of other benefits that come with the M (this gen), the chassis is 25% more rigid than the 4 series. This along with the fact that the suspension is not only much higher quality, but tuned to work with non-rfts out of the box is a kill shot (for me). Sure, you can put nice coils on a non M and get great results, but with the same product on an M they would perform better with the stiffer chassis, bushings, and geometry. N55 and B58 motors are gems, no doubt, but they are not making 500hp like the S55 does with an OTS stage 1 tune.

I am no M or nothing person, but in a vacuum the M is better for performance driving/modifications in almost every measurable way. If you're after a fun AND comfortable DD, it is EASILY worse in that respect. I feel like, and sales data most likely agrees, only a small percentage of folks actually want something more sharp/focused than a 4 series. At the end of the day a driver will extract the most performance from a car they are more comfortable in vs how high the performance threshold is.
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Great post MacklinUSOB.

At the end of the day a driver will extract the most set of performance dynamics and parameters from a car they are seeking.

Having had F250 Superduty truck, modded Honda, big American motor car, British grand tourer, Italian toy, SCCA-spec Formula 2000 open wheeler, etc.... If there's one thing life has taught me, don't try trailering using a Ferrari, and don't try road course tracking a Ford Superduty.

Kinda reminds me of "what to eat tonight" as we travel the world. Don't take me to China to eat B-B-Q and don't take me to Texas to eat Chinese food. Deal?

Great thread guys, really enjoying it. H/t BimmerPost!

If BMW can reduce new models a few hundred pounds (adding lightness as Lotus says), the new engine platform looks to be very, VERY strong for aggressive tuners to enjoy. Transmission strength might become the 'limitation' at some point. Good times are ahead of us for BMW
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This would send me up the wall...a car that costs as much as an M3/4 should not rattle. My 2015 335 vibrates in the dash while driving on concrete roads (not smooth blacktop), has a rattle in the passenger side door, and its enough that Im constantly thinking about buying another car. inexcusable build quality imo.

My 2009 328, after 10 years, not a single rattle or vibration. And I drove it pretty hard around town. Never had anything that was built that solid.
Actually many super cars (excepts those classified as grand tourers) have rattling issue due to lack of sound dampening and rigid suspension.
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M3 CP any day over any 335i/340i/440i. And, the regular 3/4 series only with M performance suspension kit which drives close enough to E90 series.

The M3 is like owning a dragon. All other non-M cars are lizards in comparison. The CP is a big step up and feels more planted/comfy at the same time.

Extra power is always welcomed! If power is no concern then why not get a 320i/330i instead? Why even look at the 40i series?
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