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/\ You make a lot of sense. I tried a number of cars before making my decision but it all came down to me wanting a 3 series. I tried the 5's. They are lovely but they are a bit too big (imo) and for the engine/spec I wanted they were way outside of reach.
The fast A4's weren't really fast enough of they were RS4s and I couldnt go that far. I think the 3 series is a jack of all trades. It covers "poverty spec" up to "top spec" and has engines in between. Lots of cars out their are base spec + 335D OR high spec + 330D. It seems that someone always wants to scrimp somewhere which is fine. I've got a 10 year old "top of the range" Volvo V50 as a second car and honestly I think it is quieter at speed than the 335D I had for a test drive a few weeks back. Totally different drive though! I need to do some more motorway miles in mine to decide when it comes to tyres if I want to swap the 19 RFT's to normal rubber. Cost is one thing, noise is another. I've honestly not done enough distance to make my mind up on that yet but I always knew it was going to be a bit noisier due to the tyre choice. |
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Maybe it's a turn the DSC properly off moment? That weights up the steering nicely and stops electronic interference - though sport + achieves almost the same. The 335d touring is also faster than a coxster S according to autocar - this really annoys the pork people! |
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When I was looking to buy (summer of 2014) there were no 335d's available to test drive at any of the dealers local to me. I did however manage to test drive a 330d X-Drive back to back with a 435i M-Sport coupe (both on 19" wheels, both on passive suspension as finding an X-drive demo with adaptive was also impossible). My conclusion was that the standard X-drive was too soft for my taste but the salesman assured me that with adaptive in Sport mode it would drive in a similar way to the 435i (which felt fine to me). On that basis I ordered my 335d with adaptive and, while it's better than standard, even in Sport mode I still thinks it leaves something to be desired on a twisty road. However, as I now spend a relatively low proportion of my time on those roads I've chosen to live with it and not go the ACS springs route or similar. Therefore, I think I've every right to voice an opinion that the chassis falls short of what you expect from an M-Sport BMW and in the circumstances I think I did do a reasonable amount of research and test driving. Perhaps with the wisdom of hindsight I should have held-out for a test in a 335d with adaptive - and not been influenced quite so much by the salesman - but I certainly didn't purchase without doing any homework. Actually, I reckon I probably did more than most and - chassis aside - I'm quite happy with the car and don't really agree with some of the criticism that's being levelled by others. However, I don't agree with your inference that anyone who's unhappy with their car simply didn't do enough research. Sometimes it might be as simple as that but sometimes you can do what believe to be a reasonable amount of research and homework and still not end-up with quite what you were hoping for (or indeed expecting from an M-sport BMW!). |
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It might be quicker 0-60 thanks to the traction off the line but on a twisty, undulating, road I doubt an F31 335d would get anywhere near a well driven Boxster (and even if it did it certainly wouldn't be as much fun). |
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02-21-2018, 03:05 PM | #50 |
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True.
Msport Tourings RRPs: 335d £43.7K, 520d £41K, 530d £50.3K... I'd guess a 530d would be rather lovely.
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Interesting article in that I have just bought another 4 series having had my 430dx Msport for 3 years and to be honest, the road noise is not bad on motorways unless they are really really coarse. Also I don't notice wind noise at high speed either.... Did I get lucky ?
Goodyear Eagle F1's are much better for road noise than Bridgestone or Pirelli PZero in my experience... |
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I went from an F10 530d M Sport saloon to my current and the difference in refinement, in all areas, is significant. The F10 was sublime compared to my busy F31; ride, noise and cockpit feel. My current car is good, but it’s just not as refined as I’d like it to be. I won’t be getting another 3 series, or even a 4 series as I feel they are just too main-stream! Once you get used to the refinement of a 5 it’s hard to settle for less.
I did test drive a 335d prior to buying one, but it’s easy to get distracted by other things on a test drive. I won’t make the same mistake next time. |
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All that being said, the GTD is at a lower price-point and far closer in terms of quality than it ought to be! It also handles better out of the box, which others have already picked up on. Damping especially seems far more suited to our roads.
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02-22-2018, 12:19 PM | #61 |
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So if a 330d Touring grips and stops better than a Boxster S you'd think that would translate to better lap times round a track - I'd therefore be interested to see if there are any tests in similar conditions which show that to the case? I'm still leaning towards "no there aren't" and if those headline numbers are true it probably just goes to prove there are indeed lies, damn lies and statistics!
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02-22-2018, 01:37 PM | #62 | |
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For the weekend I'm still a Porsche fan - but it just shows how good the 335d is |
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02-22-2018, 02:42 PM | #64 |
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a 335d would murder a coxster in the wet ...
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02-22-2018, 02:58 PM | #65 |
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Why do you insist on calling it a 'coxster'? It's not even mildly amusing. I suspect you call Audis Aldis too.
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