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      02-28-2017, 03:17 PM   #23
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So the X3M will not be based on new the G01 platform, am i reading that correctly?
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So that X2 is actually coming out?? I liked it a lot more than the new X1 which lost the crossover feel of the older one.
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So the X3M will not be based on new the G01 platform, am i reading that correctly?
It is based on the G01, some upcoming M models based on "G" platforms are going to be given an F9X designation (F90 based on G30 etc.)
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My understanding of the F87 codes:
  • M2 - 6MT:
    • 1H91,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 1H92,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 1H93,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 - M-DCT:
    • 1H01,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 1H02,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 1H03,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 LCI - 6MT:
    • 1J51,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 1J52,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 1J53,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 LCI - M-DCT:
    • 1J61,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 1J62,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 1J63,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 CS - 6MT:
    • 2U71,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 2U72,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 2U73,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 CS - M-DCT:
    • 2U81,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 2U82,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 2U83,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
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      02-28-2017, 05:40 PM   #27
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So why do I see a 'competition' description for the M2 and than I see a 'CS' M2 folder?

Clearly CS stands for Clubsport not Competition.

Are we getting two variants of the M2??
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So why do I see a 'competition' description for the M2 and than I see a 'CS' M2 folder?
Clearly CS stands for Clubsport not Competition.
Are we getting two variants of the M2??
Time will tell.

Could merely be what I pointed out in post #1006 of this thread.
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So why do I see a 'competition' description for the M2 and than I see a 'CS' M2 folder?

Clearly CS stands for Clubsport not Competition.

Are we getting two variants of the M2??
That's what I'm thinking.. competition might be a slight power bump and some carbon parts or something. CS might be the S55 equipped beast that everyone wants..
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So does this indicate no M3 CS?
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My understanding of the F87 codes:
DCT, SMG and manuals use the same type code. Automatic with torque converter get the "auto" type code. The reason why you see both type codes is just the way BMW structures the type codes. They are just reserved as placeholders. It does not mean there will be an auto version.
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There is going to be an all new 6er. Just different from today's car ie no longer a luxury GT but close to the tradition of BMW Coupes like the E9 and original 6er.
Scott,

Thanks for that insight. I currently have an E93 M3 and I'm very much looking forward to what's in-store with the 6-series, given the more sporty approach. By mentioning the E9 are you implying that the 6-series coupe will likely be closer in size to the E9 or just the idea that it will be more performance-oriented than the current 6-series? I would love for it to be smaller/lighter, which is why I am asking...

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Fellow member rypik@BW uploaded an interesting file containing BMW model codes (for March 2017).


F97 X3 M (more info and photos)

G01 X3, G08 X3 China, F97 X3 M

MECH means manual transmission, but there are cars that never had a manual transmission option and yet it states "mech" in the line.

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So according to this both the M4 CS and M2 CS (or competition) come with the option of manual or DCT. Both options to make everyone happy? I think this indicates that BMW wants to sell more volume of these cars, otherwise they would limit it to a DCT or manual only.
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So according to this both the M4 CS and M2 CS (or competition) come with the option of manual or DCT. Both options to make everyone happy? I think this indicates that BMW wants to sell more volume of these cars, otherwise they would limit it to a DCT or manual only.
It absolutely does not. DCT and SMG are manual cars according to BMW.
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So according to this both the M4 CS and M2 CS (or competition) come with the option of manual or DCT. Both options to make everyone happy? I think this indicates that BMW wants to sell more volume of these cars, otherwise they would limit it to a DCT or manual only.
It absolutely does not. DCT and SMG are manual cars according to BMW.
Internally, this is true. You will sometimes see that if you search some dealerships and filter cars with manual transmission, both 6-speed and DCT vehicles are shown.
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So according to this both the M4 CS and M2 CS (or competition) come with the option of manual or DCT. Both options to make everyone happy? I think this indicates that BMW wants to sell more volume of these cars, otherwise they would limit it to a DCT or manual only.
Let's not jump too quickly into conclusions. The list seems to show codes of BMW classes, which doesn't necessarily mean that all referenced cars will ever be commercialized. Could be merely reserving for the sake of classification and/or labeling test mules that never make the final cut.

Look for example at the F82 M4 GTS: we only know of the M-DCT version, while the list also mentions a manual transmission version:
  • M4 GTS - M-DCT
    • 4S01,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 GTS,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,,
    • 4S02,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 GTS,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,,
    • 4S03,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 GTS,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,,
  • M4 GTS - manual transmission
    • 4S91,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 GTS,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,,
    • 4S92,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 GTS,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,,
    • 4S93,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 GTS,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,,
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DCT and SMG are manual cars according to BMW.
Definitely not the same from a marketing and sales perspective.


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Let's not jump too quickly into conclusions. The list seems to show codes of BMW classes, which doesn't necessarily mean that all referenced cars will ever be commercialized. Could be merely reserving for the sake of classification and/or labeling test mules that never make the final cut.

Look for example at the F82 M4 GTS: we only know of the M-DCT version, while the list also mentions a manual transmission version:
Ah I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

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So friggin psyched to see that the return of the 8 series is confirmed!! BMW is going back to the big leagues again. Hopefully they follow through with an M8 or M860i to take on the S65/SL65/DB11/BCGT. Nothing says luxury GT quite like a V12 engine.
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My understanding of the F87 codes:
  • M2 - 6MT:
    • 1H91,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 1H92,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 1H93,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 - M-DCT:
    • 1H01,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 1H02,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 1H03,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 LCI - 6MT:
    • 1J51,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 1J52,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 1J53,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 LCI - M-DCT:
    • 1J61,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 1J62,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 1J63,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 CS - 6MT:
    • 2U71,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 2U72,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 2U73,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
  • M2 CS - M-DCT:
    • 2U81,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec LHD)
    • 2U82,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= EURO-spec RHD)
    • 2U83,P,BMW PKW,2',F87,M2 Competition,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, (= US-spec LHD)
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Isn't the model list posted today for MY18 production year cars? So wouldn't that mean that the MY18 M2 will get an optional competition package and the M2 CS will be a MY19 production year model, available in 2018.
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So that X2 is actually coming out?? I liked it a lot more than the new X1 which lost the crossover feel of the older one.
The X2 Concept is being shown at the Welt right now...

New X2 Concept shown at the BMW Welt...
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1358941
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I don't think Competition = CS otherwise it would be specific. Reports are the M2 CS won't appear until 2018. I am curious what exactly the Competition Pack for the M2 is since there haven't been any previous reports.
I believe the guy who was talking about the M2 CS made a correction and said he meant competition and not CS
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This thread is like a conversation of amateur bird watchers trying to identify a bird by its droppings.

1. Most models get both MECH and AUT typcodes - this means NOTHING.
2. Every new version of this file adds typcodes, but also deletes typcodes. The fact that you see something in just a single version of the file means NOTHING.
3. In many cases in the past, a model would show up in this file, then prototypes would start driving on the roads, then some of them would even be shipped to Woodcliff Lake for final eval - and then the market would get NOTHING.

(This is my only contribution to this thread. Please don't ask questions - I've just said everything I have to say on this.)
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