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Was chatting about this today and just how high the % of potential killers on our roads is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35423178

https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/...2.aspx?id=4081



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[AlfaM]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Was chatting about this today and just how high the % of potential killers on our roads is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35423178

https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/...2.aspx?id=4081



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Unlike alcohol, a positive drug test doesn't necessarily mean the person is under the influence (illegal or otherwise)

http://www.talktofrank.com/faq/how-l...able-my-system

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Originally Posted by Moonie

Unlike alcohol, a positive drug test doesn't necessarily mean the person is under the influence (illegal or otherwise)

http://www.talktofrank.com/faq/how-l...able-my-system

However, if they are taking illegal drugs (what the test is for), then ban the fuckers off the roads.

[antjos1]

Originally Posted by Brigand

However, if they are taking illegal drugs (what the test is for), then ban the fuckers off the roads.

Well said Brigand
Totally agree with you.
Drivers should have no drugs or alcohol in their bodies whatsoever.

[AlfaM]

Originally Posted by Brigand

However, if they are taking illegal drugs (what the test is for), then ban the fuckers off the roads.

There's plenty of prescription and OTC medicines too, night nurse, valium etc..

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Originally Posted by Moonie

There's plenty of prescription and OTC medicines too, night nurse, valium etc..

It quite clearly states on certain prescription drugs and medicines not to drive or operate machinery.

There is also that catch all that drivers should ask themselves, am I fit to drive?

[AlfaM]

Originally Posted by Brigand

It quite clearly states on certain prescription drugs and medicines not to drive or operate machinery.

There is also that catch all that drivers should ask themselves, am I fit to drive?

But my point is you could have taken the prescription drug several weeks previously, but it is still in you system.

Maureen is legally prescribed valium for her nerves, but Bob bought some illegally to help him sleep - who would you ban?

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Originally Posted by Moonie

But my point is you could have taken the prescription drug several weeks previously, but it is still in you system.

Maureen is legally prescribed valium for her nerves, but Bob bought some illegally to help him sleep - who would you ban?

That would be for the courts, however the tests are particularly gauged for illegal drugs, If it was proved you had a perscription and allowed to drive while taking a given drug, that's one thing.

However, let's not forget this is aimed at those oxygen stealing, organised crime and terrorism supporting scum that inhabit the population.

No excuses for these scum that put money in criminals and terrorists back pockets and fund further misery.

[Hooter]

I find my driving improves after I shoot up.

Speed limits no longer apply.

[AlfaM]

Originally Posted by Brigand

That would be for the courts, however the tests are particularly gauged for illegal drugs, If it was proved you had a perscription and allowed to drive while taking a given drug, that's one thing.

However, let's not forget this is aimed at those oxygen stealing, organised crime and terrorism supporting scum that inhabit the population.

No excuses for these scum that put money in criminals and terrorists back pockets and fund further misery.

I think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail.

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Originally Posted by Moonie

I think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail.

Nah drug users are scum full stop.

They don't deserve a place in society.

The sooner they actually lock up various 'celebs' for possession of Class A the better.

Behind every drug user is a drug dealer, nice people ain't they....

[AlfaM]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Nah drug users are scum full stop.

They don't deserve a place in society.

The sooner they actually lock up various 'celebs' for possession of Class A the better.

Behind every drug user is a drug dealer, nice people ain't they....

Are they really any different to those that supplied the 1,000,000 who are hospitalised, or the 8000+ who die from Alcohol each year?

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Originally Posted by Moonie

Are they really any different to those that supplied the 1,000,000 who are hospitalised, or the 8000+ who die from Alcohol each year?

Yes very much so.

Agreed on alcohol it is a nightmare.

However drug users assist in supporting various forms of organised crime, various terrorist terrorist organisations are paid in part through drug users.

Its great that there are going to be checks for drug taking drivers, even better if their employers take a dim view and insurance companies take same stance as drunk drivers.

[antjos1]

Originally Posted by Moonie

Are they really any different to those that supplied the 1,000,000 who are hospitalised, or the 8000+ who die from Alcohol each year?

Alcohol is not illegal unless you are driving with to much of it in your fucking body.
Drink drivers and illegal drug takers deserve no sympathy when caught.

[AlfaM]

Originally Posted by antjos1

Alcohol is not illegal unless you are driving with to much of it in your fucking body.
Drink drivers and illegal drug takers deserve no sympathy when caught.

The legal status of a drug doesn't alway reflect its harmful effects

The governments former drug advisor Professor Nutt and his colleagues 'reclassified' the most common used illegal and legal drugs. Alcohol was up there with Heroin, and Cocaine and well above other Class A drugs such as Estacy and LSD - as was Tobacco.

Have a read... or get someone to read it to you.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...rous-drug-list

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Originally Posted by Moonie

The legal status of a drug doesn't alway reflect its harmful effects

The governments former drug advisor Professor Nutt and his colleagues 'reclassified' the most common used illegal and legal drugs. Alcohol was up there with Heroin, and Cocaine and well above other Class A drugs such as Estacy and LSD - as was Tobacco.

Have a read... or get someone to read it to you.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...rous-drug-list

Yes alcohol is bad it should be controlled.

However drug users are scum.

One step above the Garry Glitter brigade.

[Kal101]

There's a lot of people out there driving on prescription drugs - it's probably higher than we imagine . The trouble is the public perception is that these are medicines not drugs. Now we're not just talking about the obvious ones like diazepam zopiclone tramadol etc which will have a sedation effect that can hangover to the next day and accumulate - how many realise that some drugs eg antihistamines even though non sedating can affect your ability to concentrate.

The big issue is that we are all too familiar with the car and regard it as a right and not a priviledge

As regards drug abusers from my own experiences the majority are selfish people with scant regard for others around them and the consequences and impacts of their actions on those around them. However there are few individuals who due to circumstances have fallen on tough times and not had the mental fortitude at that time to deal with their situation - generally they will attempt to put their life to rights and kick the habit - very few and far between however.

The worst are those that do it because they can !!!

[Kal101]

Originally Posted by Hooter

I find my driving improves after I shoot up.

Speed limits no longer apply.

They're advisory any way aren't they

[335i nthehouse]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Yes alcohol is bad it should be controlled.

However drug users are scum.

One step above the Garry Glitter brigade.

Usually I often agree with much you say but this is quite frankly ridiculous.

To suggest recreational drug users are comparable to child sex offenders is just flatly stupid and ignorant.

I agree that those who drive under the influence of anything that could knowingly cause them to injure someone is plain out of order. This is irrespective of whether is alcohol, canabis or crystal meth!

But someone who smokes the odd joint, maybe does the odd pill, is not anything like a paedophile in terms of social status.

I now have a high pressure professional job and wouldn't entertain this, but when at university I did - but not driving. My social values are of the highest order I can assure you

[335i nthehouse]

Of course addicts are a bit different as their values lower to feed their habit - but I guess the point I'm making is a thieving crack head is not the same as a teenager who has a couple of joints.

[Mark1966]

Yeah a bit strong Brigand

I tend to think of drug users as just a bit week willed but I wouldn't put them in the same class as Gary Glitter the baby sitter

[dubdemand]

Not to mention how difficult it is to skin up or snort a line while driving - if you don't crash that's some fine skills you have there!

Only users lose drugs!