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      01-21-2013, 11:47 PM   #111
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I really hope those numbers are good, anything lower than 200hp would be too slow. Please, BMW, don't give us a rebadged 320d just because you want to artifically 'upscale' that model - give us a power bump!
The 320d is not that slow, but I think badging it as a 328d is a stretch. At most I think a 323d but not more.
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Apparently, they are all 2L. Weird. But I don't thinl that there are turbos as you say. "TwinPower Turbo" <> "Twin Turbo"
As he said, the N47 in *25d trim (and *23d trim) is indeed a twin turbo.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N47

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Any reason why the 325d two two stage turbo engine was not available as one of the "launch" engines then?
Limited resources. They phase in new engines as time goes on, just like any typical manufacturer.
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      01-22-2013, 12:31 AM   #113
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The 320d is not that slow, but I think badging it as a 328d is a stretch. At most I think a 323d but not more.
I really hope they resist temptation to rebadge the car for our market. After all, they didn't have a problem introducing the 320i here. Please no more badge confusion, BMW.

In any case it will be disappointing if this rumored 328d we've been hearing about does not turn out to be a further development of the N47 TT. A 240hp I4 diesel would be amazing. It will also be disappointing if we do not get the N47 TT in any form in NA. I really think that engine is the sweet spot in BMW's diesel lineup. I would be highly interested in a diesel F31 that can match the performance of the 328i. A 330d or even 335d would be welcome too, for that matter, but there does not seem to be plans to bring those here either.
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      01-22-2013, 12:49 AM   #114
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No more 328xi classic line?? Come on BMW that was the best bang for the buck F30!! No way I will get an underpowered 320xi instead of that!
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Thanks for the info and pics.

I guess it's pretty much a lock that the engine is an N47. Were you at all able to determine if it had one turbocharger or two? I guess the former is a lot more likely at this point but I am trying to keep the faith that something meaningful will come of this rumored 328d model (other than needless rebadging).

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Spoke to a rep, he told me BMW Canada did not give any technical info on the car, in fact the spec sheet was removed....
He said it should be the 2.0d so we might get a 320 rebadged into 328d...
again nothing is confirmed, for Canadian market the car will only be available in xdrive and only with AT, should be in showrooms in 3-4 months, orders in a few weeks.

Here are the requested pictures:
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      01-22-2013, 03:50 AM   #116
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In any case it will be disappointing if this rumored 328d we've been hearing about does not turn out to be a further development of the N47 TT. A 240hp I4 diesel would be amazing.
I don't think it has ever happened that a market outside Europe got exclusively a more powerful diesel engine than wht is available.
The N47 in twin-turbo format is not available in a version that meets EU6 (i.e. no Blue Performance option), & hence it's NOx does not comply with EPA's Tier2 Bin5 (which is slightly tighter than EU6). So 240ps from that engine which meets all EPA standards is currently not possible.
Currently only 20d N47 & 30d N57 is available in EU6-compliant version, so those 2 should be the ones coming to NA.
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      01-22-2013, 08:45 AM   #117
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In any case it will be disappointing if this rumored 328d we've been hearing about does not turn out to be a further development of the N47 TT. A 240hp I4 diesel would be amazing.
I don't think it has ever happened that a market outside Europe got exclusively a more powerful diesel engine than wht is available.
The N47 in twin-turbo format is not available in a version that meets EU6 (i.e. no Blue Performance option), & hence it's NOx does not comply with EPA's Tier2 Bin5 (which is slightly tighter than EU6). So 240ps from that engine which meets all EPA standards is currently not possible.
Currently only 20d N47 & 30d N57 is available in EU6-compliant version, so those 2 should be the ones coming to NA.
I'm still hoping for a 204hp/295tq engine (123d)..
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      01-22-2013, 05:55 PM   #118
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Hopefully there will be more information by the time the Canadian auto show starts at the beginning of feb in toronto

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I'm still hoping for a 204hp/295tq engine (123d)..
Specs would be awesome.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10295612-48.html

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We weren't gentle with the BMW 123d, and averaged a few economy of about 43 mpg.
Adjust for additiional weight, xdrive and ZF 8-sp; EPA combined of 35mpgUS is not impossible.
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      01-22-2013, 10:07 PM   #120
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Using the almighty 360 configurator, I compared models 3D51 (320d xDrive), 3E31 (330d xDrive) & 3D53 (328d xDrive North American Spec) with the same options, and I noticed the following things (all models mentioned below are all xDrive):

- Front & rear brakes are bigger on the 328d when compared to the 320d, but are the same size on both 330d & 328d
- Tailpipes: 320d has 1 tailpipe, both 330d & 328d have 2 tailpipes (WTF - the one at the Auto show only has one)
- 330d & 328d have larger cooling intakes in the lower front grille when compared to the 320d
- There is no evidence of a NA spec 320d, 325d or 330d in the configurator so far, only 328d (both xDrive and not)
- I could not find the model number for the 325d xDrive, only the RWD version

This might be all smoke & mirrors but usually the configurator doesn't lie. I used the image URL supplied by Clarence and changed the model numbers & angles around to check my theories. There was a little bit of trial & error involved but the info I gleaned looks promising.

The many typos that were on the iPad display lead me to believe that it was meant to display 204hp instead of 240hp, as it would be consistent with the 295lb/ft torque figure. The copywriter did a lousy job of translating everything and made a few fat-finger mistakes which supports my theory that the numbers were jumbled at some point. So we might get a rebadged 323/325d after all...
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      01-22-2013, 10:46 PM   #121
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So we might get a rebadged 323/325d after all...
The car at Montreal has only got 1 turbo (the turbos are stacked if there are 2).
It maybe the 328d is a rebadged & slightly detuned 330d. Speaking abt the brakes, it would be strange for NA-spec 328d to have larger brakes than the NA-spec 328i (if the 328d have N47 engine), cos NA-spec 328i have same brakes as EU-spec 320i/d.
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The N47 in twin-turbo format is not available in a version that meets EU6 (i.e. no Blue Performance option), & hence it's NOx does not comply with EPA's Tier2 Bin5 (which is slightly tighter than EU6). So 240ps from that engine which meets all EPA standards is currently not possible.

Currently only 20d N47 & 30d N57 is available in EU6-compliant version, so those 2 should be the ones coming to NA.
You make good points and a sound argument. I suppose there was never more than just a fool's hope for the TT diesels in North America anyway.

Even if they won't make it here, I hope BMW continues to push the envelop with their high performance diesels (such as a real 328d with 328i-like performance). Perhaps when the next generation B47 and B67 arrive, we'll get the more powerful versions of those engines on this side of the globe.
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      01-23-2013, 02:03 PM   #123
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what about transmissions in the configurator for the 328d rwd/awd?

edit: the more i think about this the more it annoys me that i won't be able to get this car in the transmission i want. come on bmw!!!!

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The 'configurator' only lets us play with the model numbers, no interior shots or option lists.
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Not even sure what to make of this...assuming the decoder is correct, which I am doubting based on the production date...

http://www.bmw-z1.com/VIN/VINdecode-e.cgi

Chassis number F147019
Vehicle code3E52
SeriesF30
Model330d
Body type saloon
Catalog model ECE
Production date 2011 / 05
EngineN57N
Transmission Unknown
Steering Right
Catalyzer YES

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      01-23-2013, 09:42 PM   #126
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Not even sure what to make of this...assuming the decoder is correct, which I am doubting based on the production date...

http://www.bmw-z1.com/VIN/VINdecode-e.cgi

Chassis number F147019
Vehicle code3E52
SeriesF30
Model330d
Body type saloon
Catalog model ECE
Production date 2011 / 05
EngineN57N
Transmission Unknown
Steering Right
Catalyzer YES
Must be sth wrong, N57 is 6-cyl diesel, RHD steering? EU-spec?
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Nah... doesn't look right.

BTW there was speculation by a few dealers around here that the car presented at the auto show was a 320d xDrive in disguise... Notice that there is no model badge. Maybe the real 328d or its engine wasn't ready yet - much easier to get a 320d xDrive and slap NA-spec lights & reflectors on it. Maybe it's an oddball car that isn't meant for resale.
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BTW there was speculation by a few dealers around here that the car presented at the auto show was a 320d xDrive in disguise... Notice that there is no model badge. Maybe the real 328d or its engine wasn't ready yet - much easier to get a 320d xDrive and slap NA-spec lights & reflectors on it. Maybe it's an oddball car that isn't meant for resale.
The car should be fully road legal in NA, judging by all the pipes behind the turbo (i.e. urea injection system).
My take on the real 328d is that it could have a N57.
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I really don't think we are getting a 6 cylinder as the 328d. I'm quite sure the car at the Montreal show was the 328d. I could see bmw pushing a little more Hp out of the 320d to justify giving it the 328d label. In Europe the 320d is only 1500 euro less than a 328i, so calling it a 328d here and charging close to what the 328i costs is not a big jump. It just sucks to also be stuck with x drive and automatic only.
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I could see bmw pushing a little more Hp out of the 320d to justify giving it the 328d label.
I strongly doubt that BMW will invest money to get more power from the engine just for the NA market. If they want to call it a 328d they will do so no matter the power output. And If they spend money on the engine to get more power, they will roll out the changes globally.
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i'm not sure how close they are to the limit of that configuration. they already sell a 168hp and a 180hp version in europe. it's just different software. it's not a big stretch to think they could squeeze 20hp more out of the 320d single turbo. mercedes has a 2.1 turbo diesel with 201hp. they don't need this anywhere else in the world because the rest of the world have access to the twin turbo version of this engine in the new 325d. it's 218hp. the 320d is 1500 less than the 328i and the 325d is about the same price as the 328i in europe. all i'm saying is i would be shocked if they try and go with a 6 cylinder in the 328d. if what discoboy was saying is right that the car is going to be at dealers in 3 to 4 months the car is already set. why would they show a 4 cylinder at montreal if it was going to be a 6 cylinder? i suppose they might be considering bringing both a 320d and a detuned 330d as the 328d but i can't see that happening. when i asked my local dealer he told me up front that he only had documentation that the diesel model was going to be a 4 cylinder and x drive. this was weeks ago. he couldn't confirm whether a manual was going to be avail but i highly doubt it will because even their 328i xdrive doesn't have manual. curse them!!! i'm sure the states will get a rwd version and if they get a manual in the rwd i'm going to buy from an american dealer.
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BMW chose the N47 20d & N57 30d as their diesel offerings for NA is simply due to convenience, cos those are the only 2 diesels (apart from the N57S tri-turbo) which can be had in EU6 compliant version. It would be far easier for them to adapt those 2 for EPA compliance cos the baseline (i.e. EU6) is quite close to Tier2 Bin5 wrt NOx emissions. Japan is another market where diesel emissions standards are extremely strict, & again they only offer the aforementioned diesels engines there (the 30d is badged as a 35d there).
The Mercedes OM651 engine u talked abt have sequential twin-turbos like the N47TT. In fact they offer that engine in 2 states of tune - 220D (170ps) & 250D (204ps).
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