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      01-24-2013, 03:03 PM   #133
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I agree with you that we won't get a six cylinder diesel F3x, kevlartoronto.

I still don't think there is any chance that they will invest money into a more powerful diesel engine just for the US market. If there is a single turbo N47 making ~200hp in the cards then it will be rolled out globally. And that may very well happen at some point, though it would more likely be a version of the next generation B47 engine instead. And it would almost surely be accompanied by a higher power 325d model as well.

Furthermore it is not at all clear that 200hp N47 would be cheaper to bring to the US than a 200hp+ N47TT. It is not the case, after all, that the latter motor can never meet US emissions standards under any circumstances or at any cost. They just have chosen not to make the investment to do so. If they do decide to invest money, that engine is the more likely target to get the money in my opinion.
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      01-24-2013, 08:02 PM   #134
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I was only speculating that they might tweak the 320d but as you guys have pointed out the twin turbo version has 218 hp so maybe the 320d is near its limit. If its just a rebadged 320d it will be very interesting to see how they price it. It's kind of bogus of bmw to just rebadge the 320d or the 325d for that matter.
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From the information I had yesturday during my visit it seem like it will be a 320xd sold at the price of a 328xd.
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      01-26-2013, 03:17 PM   #136
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did they mention the timeline of it's introduction? funny in germany a 328i xdrive is 2100 euro more than a 320d xdrive. if they price it like a 328i i won't even consider it. it's annoying enough we won't be getting a manual or rwd version of this car.
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they finally updated their info at the montreal show.
looks like it's for sure the 320d engine. 1 turbo. 280lb/ft xdrive
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Thanks for posting.
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      01-28-2013, 09:38 PM   #139
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next, bmw's justification as to why they need to charge as much as a 328i xdrive while in europe it's 2100 euro less. let the BS begin.
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Well, if the 280 lb-ft figure is true, it means it's got 184hp - those are 320d figures.
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Door count 4

Engine N47T

Cubical capacity 2.00

Power 135

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And there we have our answer: 135kW engine is exactly what is sold in Europe as 320d.

Booster, where did you manage to pull this info? None of the public sites I know of can show anything about this VIN.
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      01-29-2013, 04:46 PM   #144
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booster, would you be able to find out if the sport suspension and sport automatic and/or manual transmission will be avail? more details next time.

a 328d huh? but it's really a 320d. i smell a marketing snow job coming.

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Sport suspension and sport auto will be avail...

No manual planned

...this is what I have "heard"
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      01-29-2013, 06:40 PM   #146
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Sport suspension and sport auto will be avail...

No manual planned

...this is what I have "heard"
have you "HEARD" anything about a rwd version? thanks for all your "work"
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So it sounds like we can likewise expect the N57 models coming soon to North America to be rebranded *35d as well (as the 335d is in Japan like someone mentioned earlier).

I am glad we are getting diesels, and in more models than ever. So don't get me wrong. For some folks these are just what the doctor ordered. But I am not interested in sacrificing performance as compared to gasoline models - not just from BMW but from other manufacturers as well. The rebadging only adds insult to injury.

It is ironic that, just as BMW is starting to shoot for power/performance parity between similarly numbered diesel and gasoline models in the ROW, we get just the opposite.
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      01-29-2013, 09:52 PM   #148
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So it sounds like we can likewise expect the N57 models coming soon to North America to be rebranded 335d as well (as it is in Japan like someone mentioned earlier).

I am glad we are getting diesels, and in more models than ever. So don't get me wrong. For some folks these are just what the doctor ordered. But I am not interested in sacrificing performance as compared to gasoline models - not just from BMW but from other manufacturers as well. The rebadging only adds insult to injury.

It is ironic that, just as BMW is starting to shoot for power/performance parity between similarly numbered diesel and gasoline models in the ROW, we get just the opposite.
i don't think we will see the 335d here in NA. it's a nice car, priced at the wrong end of the 3 series lineup. i think the next announcement will be a 535d.

i wish bmw would match the offering of the 328i. i.e. offer a rwd version with a manual and auto and a xdrive with auto only if they want to cut corners.
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http://www.bmw.com/com/en/owners/acc...catalogue.html can be used to see what 328d's have been built already (something bmwvin.com and the like don't show). Just start with VIN F147000 and go from there.
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i don't think we will see the 335d here in NA. it's a nice car, priced at the wrong end of the 3 series lineup.
Agree. I meant to type "*35d" in my post, sorry.

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Quite possible. The LCI would be a good opportunity. F15 X5 may also have a diesel model at NA launch.
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Guys,

Look at VIN F776000... hopefully it'll come over in Canada (I have reason to think it will).

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VIN long WBA3K3C56EF775503

Type code 3K3C

Type 328D (USA)

Dev. series F31 ()

Line 3

Body type TOUR

Steering LL

Door count 5

Engine N47T

Cubical capacity 2.00

Power 135

Transmision HECK

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Colour SPARKLING BRONZE METALLIC (B06)

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BRONZE with black leather & RED ACCENTS???

Is BMW toying with us?
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hey shag where did you dig up that vin? the toronto auto show is in less than 2 weeks now and i'll be going the first friday. hopefully bmw will be showing more details on the 328d. boy, if they price the car like the 328i xdrive i'll be moving on.

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hey shag where did you dig up that vin? the toronto auto show is in less than 2 weeks now and i'll be going the first friday. hopefully bmw will be showing more details on the 328d. boy, if they price the car like the 328i xdrive i'll be moving on.
I can't reveal my sources. It may be a dud...

I'm pretty sure the 328d will have 320d specs... And we might not get it in Touring form anytime soon...
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