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I really, really hope that with i8 already existing this new platform is the one M uses for a 2 seats sports car.
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If you are going to build a dedicated, 2-seater sports car, than build it right and give it 100% of your effort...there is no point in short-changing that car by giving it less performance than the M4/M3. This car is supposed to be a performance car, the M4/M3, as good as they are, are compromise cars. Hopefully BMW realizes that there is a huge demand for these kinds of cars in the US and doesn't hold back on this development. |
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11-09-2014, 10:34 PM | #27 |
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Fanboy? Wow. You guys need to drive more.
But my question remains- does anyone have into from BMW or Toyota on target pricing for this? This is a business product development what's the benchmark that's all I'm asking. Is it in the gtr price range or less or more? Lose the insults, stick to the topic. |
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11-10-2014, 12:52 PM | #29 | |
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I doubt it will be in the GTR price range, but we'll have to wait and see on that. Your comment on keeping this Z car's performance below that of the M4 really contradicts the point behind making a sports car to begin with. I apologize if I mischaracterized you with that "fanboy" comment, but my point stands that BMW should focus on making this the best sports car possible rather than trying to keep its performance below that of the M4. I highly doubt that M4 owners would cross-shop this car anyhow. |
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11-11-2014, 01:38 AM | #31 |
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They should simply build a larger and faster FT-86 and stick in a BMW 3-litre Turbo 6.
No need for hybrid. No need for big dollar development costs. |
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11-11-2014, 10:57 PM | #32 |
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Interesting, here's some pricing info already (for the Toyota version at least).
http://blog.caranddriver.com/upcomin...olet-corvette/ |
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11-12-2014, 12:32 AM | #33 |
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BMW sees sports car market peak over and it may never fully recover http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1056963
Go read this thread and see what a focus everyone puts on pricing. It's a key factor. |
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11-21-2014, 04:53 AM | #35 |
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So I guess all that "We're BMW, we are independent, we don't have to compromise because we don't share platforms." crap is now out the window?
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11-21-2014, 11:08 AM | #36 | |
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There is no compromise because BMW are in charge of the development of the joint process of the architecture.
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11-21-2014, 03:01 PM | #37 |
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So the Toyota will just be a rebadged BMW? Even better then, we can get a BMW without paying BMW price. BMW I6 engine is not Toyota worthy however.
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11-21-2014, 08:45 PM | #38 |
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Wrong. If you really work for BMW apparently you've never seen their commercials and adds claiming independence (od just 6 or so years ago). If the car will have Toyota content then it's compromised; it's not pure BMW. BMW and Toyota have a different client base, so if there will be a joint car developed to meet both client bases it will be compromised. Sorry Scott, stop spreading the BS. "Development of the joint process of the architecture." Really? Just listen to yourself. I'll not even start with the Mini and 1 Series. Please stop. BMW is like every other car company.
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In what way doesn't the GT86 meat BMW client base? Not enough "expensive" plastic? Not enough useless complex weight adding toys? Not enough power for traffic light drag races? Oh, I get it, no White/Blue badge. |
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11-22-2014, 07:47 AM | #42 | |
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Sure, all manufactures (in fact most businesses) are full of BS. But I think some insider(s) make(s) the case even worse. PR is one thing, FP (Forum Propaganda), at the core of BMW community is a completely different thing, and by far worse IMO. |
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11-22-2014, 08:09 AM | #43 | |
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Again that is the genius and why it is the envy of our competitors because once again it shows BMW continues to lead in innovation. BMWi started the revolution to implement CFRP within the volume portfolio next years 7er starts that ball rolling to make BMWs models lighter than their competitors. Having driven the FWD Active Tourer and the MINI I can tell you that both cars do not drive the same even though they use the same matrix underneath in some various form underneath.
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Toyota already has Lexus and Lexus makes some pretty good performing cars that easily compete with BMW. And Lexus forced BMW into what it is today anyway, a car company that values luxury over performance, so in essence the compromise BMW made was started in the mid 90's competing with Lexus. Maybe you're right, it's not really a compromise since a BMW now drives no better than a Toyota/Lexus anyway. I guess the old adage is right, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. HOORAY! |
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