[MashinBenzin]

Devon to Bristol today. Nailbiting journey thanks to Harry/Daily Mail/Bimmerdinos.

There were only 24 chargers free, I had to stop for almost 10 mins to take on the juice I needed and made it home with only 60 miles range remaining. That's once already in 2024 that I've been inconvenienced by having to public charge.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by crAbb

Says the VW owner on a BMW forum

Here you go.

https://www.myvwegolf.com/

He does at least only have one personality on here.... where is the forum for them? Schizophrenics anonymous??

How's the Alpine? Up? Maui? Motorbike?

Sorry its hard to tell which is you, a likeminded real poster or someone you made up to talk to yourself

Bit hard for you to question anyone else's credibility really...

And aren't you banned?

[crAbb]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Devon to Bristol today. Nailbiting journey thanks to Harry/Daily Mail/Bimmerdinos.

There were only 24 chargers free, I had to stop for almost 10 mins to take on the juice I needed and made it home with only 60 miles range remaining. That's once already in 2024 that I've been inconvenienced by having to public charge.

You're on the wrong forum. BMW drivers here.

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by crAbb

You're on the wrong forum. BMW drivers here.

Not many. Most of us got our when they forgot how to design good looking cars

[robbiep]

Originally Posted by crAbb

You're on the wrong forum. BMW drivers here.

Surely you're in the wrong forum too, as you haven't got an F3x ?

[crAbb]

Originally Posted by robbiep

Surely you're in the wrong forum too, as you haven't got an F3x ?

No.

[robbiep]

Originally Posted by crAbb

No.

OK, as you're really hard of thinking, I'll use my explaining crayons.

This forum is for the BMW F3x series of cars.

You (according to your profile, which I do accept might bear nothing to do with reality) have an M340i. Which is in the G2x series

The G2x series homepage is this one :

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/index.php

Hence, you are also in the wrong forum

Hope that's explained it clearly to you. If you need more help, please let me know, and I'll try my best to simplify it further. Not sure how. Finger painting possibly ?

[winther1]

Originally Posted by TurboWeasel

Yes good old Harry. He didn't say anything we didn't already know.

I didn't know all the stats - he summed up the net zero madness perfectly.
Fingers crossed it will fail miserably

[Pond]

Originally Posted by robbiep

OK, as you're really hard of thinking, I'll use my explaining crayons.

This forum is for the BMW F3x series of cars.

You (according to your profile, which I do accept might bear nothing to do with reality) have an M340i. Which is in the G2x series

The G2x series homepage is this one :

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/index.php

Hence, you are also in the wrong forum

Hope that's explained it clearly to you. If you need more help, please let me know, and I'll try my best to simplify it further. Not sure how. Finger painting possibly ?

That is factually correct and made me laugh.

I bought the rattiest old F31 just so I had 'right of passage' on this forum after a year without an F3x. Someone else did the same from what I can gather (naming no names).

This forum is not the nicest, but, my God, it is the most entertaining of all the car forums I frequent.

It's like Facebook without the censorship.

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by winther1

I didn't know all the stats - he summed up the net zero madness perfectly.
Fingers crossed it will fail miserably

He did choose the 'facts' that best suited his argument. Or in some cases just made them up. Like the 'EV batteries only have a 10 year life'. Often repeated, but not based on any actual evidence.

It's a shame, as I generally like him as a presenter, but I do thing here he is less than objective.

[davyk31]

Harry is an old rich man who doesn’t like electric powered cars and seems to find an audience peddling the same stories or “facts”. Like all the nay slayers either accept EVs have a place and do improve the environment locally or just go quiet. The later would be preferred 😀

[KRS_SN]

EV growth is happening and it should be left to run it's course. Quotas and fines and bans etc meddle and cause cost and availability issues for the buyer and manufacturers.
An M5 plug in hybrid to avoid taxes in Germany. Likes of 330e running on petrol lugging around a battery and likely affecting longevity as a 320i probably will last over a decade while 330e complexity means doubt its an ecological improvement. These carbon saving short term goals should be backed up with long term data and cost data over the full life cycle which isn't there yet.

[crAbb]

Originally Posted by davyk31

Harry is an old rich man who doesn’t like electric powered cars and seems to find an audience peddling the same stories or “facts”. Like all the nay slayers either accept EVs have a place and do improve the environment locally or just go quiet. The later would be preferred 😀

[robbiep]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

EV growth is happening and it should be left to run it's course. Quotas and fines and bans etc meddle and cause cost and availability issues for the buyer and manufacturers.
An M5 plug in hybrid to avoid taxes in Germany. Likes of 330e running on petrol lugging around a battery and likely affecting longevity as a 320i probably will last over a decade while 330e complexity means doubt its an ecological improvement. These carbon saving short term goals should be backed up with long term data and cost data over the full life cycle which isn't there yet.

I disagree. Go back to leaded petrol. It was only legislation that forced car manufacturers to update engines - if it had been left to 'run it's course' then you'd probably have had 4* only cars being sold a decade later than they have been.
Or mandating seatbelts being fitted in cars, or safety systems (airbags, pretensioners on the seatbelts), or even fuel cut-off switches in the event of a car rolling over.
All those were mandated by legislation - if it had been left to manufacturers then they'd have been decades later, if ever.

As to getting the data to prove the systems work before 'forcing' them out there ... how do you get the long-term data, if not by having the systems running en masse, so you've got a good sample size ?

Bit of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by robbiep

I disagree. Go back to leaded petrol. It was only legislation that forced car manufacturers to update engines - if it had been left to 'run it's course' then you'd probably have had 4* only cars being sold a decade later than they have been.
Or mandating seatbelts being fitted in cars, or safety systems (airbags, pretensioners on the seatbelts), or even fuel cut-off switches in the event of a car rolling over.
All those were mandated by legislation - if it had been left to manufacturers then they'd have been decades later, if ever.

As to getting the data to prove the systems work before 'forcing' them out there ... how do you get the long-term data, if not by having the systems running en masse, so you've got a good sample size ?

Bit of a chicken and egg situation, isn't itf

Agree with lot of what you say but ice to ev isnt like mandating a switch to unleaded or seatbelts etc where the house type and city they live in or routes they take are a make or break factor.
The mass switch to diesel ties in to the theme based on carbon data but ignoring other factors and got messy down the road.

[AndyMD]

He clearly has a vested interest in bio fuels and for his car collection.

I like the guy, but some of his facts are from the Daily Mail and not current tech.

Things he didn't cover

Batteries last more than 10 years, they are just warrantied for 10 years. All ICE cars have 3/5/7 years but still work after that period. Auto trader have a 400,000 mile Tesla on it's original batteries and motors on test and it's never been serviced and the owner has never paid for a single charge.

Supermarkets are kicking out charging stations and applying to be energy providers and putting in their own chargers which will generate a price war with the likes of Ionity, BP, Shell recharge etc. There are also forward thinking companies such as farm shops putting in 60 chargers and charging cost per KW to charge as shoppers will then spend money in their farm shop / garden centre

Batteries are moving away from rare materials rapidly

A lot of things he said are very true. Can't charge at home, why would you even consider an EV. Charging in the wild is expensive and needs some sort of regulation or standard. for a start VAT is 20% for public chargers when it's only 5% at home.

EV's are too expensive, but isn't all new tech? Now we can prove that small EVs can be made by the likes of MG and BYD at the same price of ICE cars, process will have to start dropping.

However it's not impossible Norway's current percentage of new EV;s? 82% If they can do it why can't we?

[XAlp]

How is the “non rare materials” batteries move being achieved?

[robbiep]

Originally Posted by XAlp

How is the “non rare materials” batteries move being achieved?

Sodium based batteries are in development

Whether they'll be actual things, or a dead end and as much crap and nonsense as e-fuels is another matter entirely

[davyk31]

I was at a Land Rover experience last week where the car we drove was a hybrid Defender. They certainly weren’t scared of damaging the battery on rough ground or worried about it getting wet as we drove through a pond with the water half way up the doors!

[BigBanana]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Devon to Bristol today. Nailbiting journey thanks to Harry/Daily Mail/Bimmerdinos.

There were only 24 chargers free, I had to stop for almost 10 mins to take on the juice I needed and made it home with only 60 miles range remaining. That's once already in 2024 that I've been inconvenienced by having to public charge.

Did you go on the B3231 by any chance?

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by BigBanana

Did you go on the B3231 by any chance?

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[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Quite a few people on here seemingly named after areas in the SW or Scotland...