[1QuikWS6]

Forgive me for asking what may be a totally stupid question (I am just now moving to BM3 over my AA Flash tune & have not received all I need yet):

When a new version tune is released, is/are all the old versions of the tune still available to revert back to in case something with the new tune does not play well with my car?

[iscran]

Any tune you've 'purchased' in the past is still available under your account. You get one credit to choose a tune with a brand new license. Updates to tunes you already own are free.

[1QuikWS6]

Originally Posted by iscran

Any tune you've 'purchased' in the past is still available under your account. You get one credit to choose a tune with a brand new license. Updates to tunes you already own are free.

Thanx!

So from this I gather this also apply to the tunes located under the optional 'Bundle' pkg?

[iscran]

Unsure of the bundle package you're referring to, link or screenshot?

[JaredG_F30]

The old version will not be available in the OTS maps section but any version you have downloaded to your My Maps section will be available as long as you don't delete them.

Review of v7.0: So I haven't had the opportunity to log yet (hoping to do that over my lunch break) and all of my driving since I flashed has been during my commute so with a lot of traffic but initial impressions are very good. I did get to hammer it a couple of times and acceleration seems to be extremely smooth and you can really feel the added torque in the lower RPMs. I haven't noticed the "flat" spot between 2800-2900 RPM as some others had reported. I really like this map over v6.4.

Originally Posted by 1QuikWS6

Forgive me for asking what may be a totally stupid question (I am just now moving to BM3 over my AA Flash tune & have not received all I need yet):

When a new version tune is released, is/are all the old versions of the tune still available to revert back to in case something with the new tune does not play well with my car?

[ronanz]

Originally Posted by iscran

Unsure of the bundle package you're referring to, link or screenshot?

Maps Bundle

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[zinner]

Halim@HCP For the 2H maps, with the XDI config flag enabled are we unlocking additional power?

[JaredG_F30]

So I got a chance to log Stage 2 v7.0 93octane with and without spraying meth. The logs are below. I've also provided a link of an older v6.3 Stage 2 93 octane log for comparison. Unfortunately, all of my v6.4 logs are on the E30 map so I didn't include that.

Comments:

- v7.0 boost increase is significant over v6.3 (from 15.8 on v6.3 to 17.2 on v7.0)

- With that said I'm not sure why I'm seeing boost quickly ramp up to 19.2PSI (not a boost spike) and ramp down to 15.8PSI. I believe the boost target is changing through the RPM band but for whatever reason, it's not being reflected in the boost target value in the log.

- Timing on cylinder 1 looks good on v7.0 when compared to v6.3 but I need to re-log with all cylinder timing parameters being logged. I forgot to change the logging parameters from a time when I was trying to diagnose some hesitation which I thought could be misfiring related (turned out I just need to reset the throttle adaptations).

- The logged RPM value tops out at 5700 RPM even though I know I logged up to 6800 RPM. You can see my speed increased even after the RPM stops at 5700 RPM. I'll probably reach out to PTF of this as I've never had this problem when logging before.

- For the v7.0 log with WMI I had to avoid an obstacle so I didn't floor the throttle right away but I was still able to capture a pretty good log.

Stage 2 v7.0 93 octane
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e136b17c090c66aa3637238

Stage 2 v7.0 93 octane with WMI
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e136b48c090c66aa363723a

Stage 2 v6.3 93 octane
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5d0cca0eae729b66bd2152d0

Overall the tune is very smooth and increased torque in the lower RPM band is noticeable. I'm looking forward to throwing in some E85 and flashing the E30 Stage 2 tune to see how that logs. Previously I've seen my timing advance got from the 6-8 range to 10-12 degrees which adds a nice punch.

[codestar]

My butt-dyno says torque has seen a pretty substantial improvement which is great!

Has anyone been noticing small pops on downshift? (I'm 6MT) I've noticed that even in comfort that when I'm cycling gears it sounds like I get some loud burbles every here and there but I'm well below my RPM limit I set up for burbles (2500RPM).

I've also noticed that burbles are inconsistent until the car has been fully heated but this issue was present with V6.4 as well as far as I can tell. When it is heating up and I go over my RPM settings for burbles, I might get one or 2 extremely loud pops that are spaced like 0.75s apart, but when the car has heated up fully that's when it gets the higher frequency crackles which is what I'm assuming it is supposed to be....

Other than that this update has been a definitely noticeable bump in power!

[52172]

Are there any plans to offer a stage 2 93 for the new fx-150 pump from Spool performance? There's gonna be a lot of them hitting the streets? Or is the factory pump sufficient for the factory turbo?

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by 52172

Are there any plans to offer a stage 2 93 for the new fx-150 pump from Spool performance? There's gonna be a lot of them hitting the streets? Or is the factory pump sufficient for the factory turbo?

Factory HPFP is good for factory turbo on pump gas.

You can squeeze more power out of the factory turbo (compated to OTS maps) with a upgraded HPFP and custom ethanol blend tune. Several examples of that.

[JaredG_F30]

I've been able to run an E29 mix (4gals of E85 and 11.9 of 93 octane) pretty consistently without my HPFP crashing. Stock HPFP and stock turbo. I'm actually about to switch of the to the v7.0 Stage 2 E30 map today and give that a shot. The added torque of v7.0 just on Stage 2 93 octane has been a blast to drive so looking forward to the added punch from the E30 map.

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Factory HPFP is good for factory turbo on pump gas.

You can squeeze more power out of the factory turbo (compated to OTS maps) with a upgraded HPFP and custom ethanol blend tune. Several examples of that.

[mcintoshf30]

Originally Posted by codestar

My butt-dyno says torque has seen a pretty substantial improvement which is great!

Has anyone been noticing small pops on downshift? (I'm 6MT) I've noticed that even in comfort that when I'm cycling gears it sounds like I get some loud burbles every here and there but I'm well below my RPM limit I set up for burbles (2500RPM).

I've also noticed that burbles are inconsistent until the car has been fully heated but this issue was present with V6.4 as well as far as I can tell. When it is heating up and I go over my RPM settings for burbles, I might get one or 2 extremely loud pops that are spaced like 0.75s apart, but when the car has heated up fully that's when it gets the higher frequency crackles which is what I'm assuming it is supposed to be....

Other than that this update has been a definitely noticeable bump in power!

So I'm actually MHD stage one but once I get the FMIC in I'm considering going BM3 with all the recent updates. But my burbles do the same exact thing. I'll get really loud pops below 2500 rpm when it's cold; tbh I wish it was like that all the time rather than more artificial burbles, but I'll get a custom tune eventually

[52172]

I'm gonna go bm3 s2 and have a question about ethanol. There is e85 30 miles away so would like to take advantage. Where are the mix ratios for mixing with 91? If I did say a mix to like e40 and got a custom tune would I always have to run that same mix or if I fill with 91 would the car adjust? Or do you need to switch tunes just to go back to 91? Can you store different tunes and switch between them with the wifi agent very easily? If I bought bm3 s2 v7 91 octane then bought a custom tune tune for the e40 blend would I have both tunes stored in the cloud and be-able to go back and forth with the wifi agent? Thanks

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

I've been able to run an E29 mix (4gals of E85 and 11.9 of 93 octane) pretty consistently without my HPFP crashing. Stock HPFP and stock turbo. I'm actually about to switch of the to the v7.0 Stage 2 E30 map today and give that a shot. The added torque of v7.0 just on Stage 2 93 octane has been a blast to drive so looking forward to the added punch from the E30 map.

Yeah i am definitely not saying stock HPFP can't handle Exx mixes, because it can. I just know there are some examples of a custom tune with upgraded HPFP pushing stock turbo beyond what the OTS ethanol maps are doing. BMWDIYGUY had some numbers and there have been a few others recently as well.

I am yet to try ethanol mix maps, planning to do that soon after i get my new tires installed. I have E85 right around the corner from me. It's pearson fuels, so its supposed to be consistently 83.3%, but i will probably do my own test before i start mixing.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by 52172

I'm gonna go bm3 s2 and have a question about ethanol. There is e85 30 miles away so would like to take advantage. Where are the mix ratios for mixing with 91? If I did say a mix to like e40 and got a custom tune would I always have to run that same mix or if I fill with 91 would the car adjust? Or do you need to switch tunes just to go back to 91? Can you store different tunes and switch between them with the wifi agent very easily? If I bought bm3 s2 v7 91 octane then bought a custom tune tune for the e40 blend would I have both tunes stored in the cloud and be-able to go back and forth with the wifi agent? Thanks

1. Short of having an ethanol sensor you may want to test the ethanol from the pump at least once to see the content before you start mixing, or you just guess and see how the car responds. I have run E85 in my 3000gt for a while but i can easily adjust my own fueling and my tune is not very sensitive to varying content (unlike our situation where too much may cause HPFP to crash). After you know ethanol content, you can easily calculate E% of a mix... just basic math or use an online calculator to figure out gallons of ethanol (based on content) divided by total gallons of fuel added. Note that at least in CA pump gas has up to 10%.

2. Closed loop fueling will do some adjustments as needed but you would not really want to run a tune designed for say E30 and put in pump 91... there would probably be way too much timing and fuel and that is not an idea situation, even if the DME can work to compensate. You would want to flash back to a 91 tune.

3. Yes you can store tunes and yes you can easily flash between them. That should hold true for flashing between a custom Exx map and a OTS tune, so long as you keep both on your device (or cloud or whatever for BM3).

E40 is probably going to be too much for stock fueling, but everyones car responds a little different. Note that in general lower IATs mean you can run less ethanol (more air demanding more fuel) - mostly noticeable in sub 50 F temperatures.

[52172]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

1. Short of having an ethanol sensor you may want to test the ethanol from the pump at least once to see the content before you start mixing, or you just guess and see how the car responds. I have run E85 in my 3000gt for a while but i can easily adjust my own fueling and my tune is not very sensitive to varying content (unlike our situation where too much may cause HPFP to crash). After you know ethanol content, you can easily calculate E% of a mix... just basic math or use an online calculator to figure out gallons of ethanol (based on content) divided by total gallons of fuel added. Note that at least in CA pump gas has up to 10%.

2. Closed loop fueling will do some adjustments as needed but you would not really want to run a tune designed for say E30 and put in pump 91... there would probably be way too much timing and fuel and that is not an idea situation, even if the DME can work to compensate. You would want to flash back to a 91 tune.

3. Yes you can store tunes and yes you can easily flash between them. That should hold true for flashing between a custom Exx map and a OTS tune, so long as you keep both on your device (or cloud or whatever for BM3).

E40 is probably going to be too much for stock fueling, but everyones car responds a little different. Note that in general lower IATs mean you can run less ethanol (more air demanding more fuel) - mostly noticeable in sub 50 F temperatures.

Thanks for answering all my questions. I will be buying the fx150 fuel pump most likely unless the other new one is a better deal? Then I'll be getting the custom e40-50 tune.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by 52172

Thanks for answering all my questions. I will be buying the fx150 fuel pump most likely unless the other new one is a better deal? Then I'll be getting the custom e40-50 tune.

Definitely do keep us posted if you get that pump as i have not seen any user experience here yet.

One other thing to keep in mind is the limit of the LPFP if you want to do to high ethanol content. Personally not exactly sure how far people have pushed it with an upgraded HPFP.

[JaredG_F30]

So as much fun as v7.0 is to drive with the added torque, the boost spikes, HPFP crashes and throttle closures when logging concerns me on stage 2 E30 map. Maybe I just have too much ethanol for my HPFP to handle. I'm going to run this tank down to 3/4 then fill up with 3.5gals of 93 octane to bring me down to a E25 mix and see how that goes. I've reported this to PTF and asked for review of the logs. I'm curious to what they say.

http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e161aa5ae729b0471ba6d9e

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Phantom10R

I noticed almost no difference tbh, but i drive it easy when im not messing around with another car.

Originally Posted by ctt300

I've been running E30 maps for 2 years and recently went to the stage 2H E30 maps and always average 18.6 to 19 mpg 40/60% highway/city driving. I hand calculate mileage from miles driven per filled gallons.

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

With E30 you are only going to have about 10% less energy density in your fuel than with pump gas, so roughly 10% worse fuel economy, assuming the same driving habits and conditions (all else equal). In CA, 91 pump gas can be about $4 per gallon, and E85 near me is $2.79 per gallon. So, the tradeoff in fuel cost is negligible.

And who cares about fuel economy anyways? Its about smiles per gallon.

I'm in a M235i 6MT, so my fuel economy is typically worse than a F3X would be, especially with when they have the 7 Speed.

With that said, I get around 28-30mpg all highway - low 20s city - AND I'm tuned.

If you're getting 20mpg mixed, the E85 tradeoff just doesn't seem worth it for a daily.

[mgc9991]

Hey, I was looking at getting a stage 1 93 octane bootmod3 for my 16' 435i xDrive. Do you know what numbers I could possibly make? I couldn't find any dynos online.

[stlb5]

Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

So as much fun as v7.0 is to drive with the added torque, the boost spikes, HPFP crashes and throttle closures when logging concerns me on stage 2 E30 map. Maybe I just have too much ethanol for my HPFP to handle. I'm going to run this tank down to 3/4 then fill up with 3.5gals of 93 octane to bring me down to a E25 mix and see how that goes. I've reported this to PTF and asked for review of the logs. I'm curious to what they say.

http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5e161aa5ae729b0471ba6d9e

Were you happy with the 91/93 octane v7.0 map?