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Official B58 HPFP Options
Official B58 HPFP Options Thread There's a lot of talk on HPFP upgrades recently and I think it'd be worth making a dedicated thread to discuss them and also show everyone what is currently available and where you can buy them from. HDP5 Evo (Stock B58 HPFP) The HDP5 Evo is the HPFP the B58 comes with stock. It's an upgraded version of the N55 HPFP (HDP5). The stock HPFP isn't capable of maxing out the stock turbo without supplemental fueling such as WMI, CPI, PI, etc. 1. HDP6 (B58TU "Supra" HPFP) The HDP6 is the stock B58TU (Supra) and it flows a lot more fuel than the stock pump. So far there is about a dozen people (that I know of) running it including Pure Turbo, they have tested their new Pure 800 turbo up to 603whp/702wtq on 93oct. PNP: Somewhat. Requires extending the wiring harness to reach the connector. Possible Concerns/Drawbacks: 1. This Pump Is Designed To Operate At Double Ours (5000+PSI): This has also been told to me from Frank @ TTFS/XDI. Quote:
2. Can Cause Damage To Cam Follower: There is a Facebook user on B58 Enthusiasts saying that after 2000km his B58TU pump caused damage to his cam follower and resulted in metal in the oil pan. Is This True? Unknown, but doubtful. He has not provided any proof of this or any further details to back up his claims. The only reason I am mentioning it is I feel as if everyone should have information available so they can draw their own conclusions. I personally do not think this will be an issue as i've heard nothing but success stories from people who have been running this pump. Where To Buy: 1. MRM Performance - B58TU HPFP 2. Get BMW Parts - B58TU HPFP 3. Williams Performance - B58TU HPFP 4. Probably any Toyota Dealership DIY: Big thanks to kern417 for providing the community with a DIY video. 2. Dorch Engineering Stage 1/2 HPFP Photo Credit: My Personal 340i Dorch Engineering has released their Stage 1/2 HPFP’s for the B58 (as well as N55) at very affordable pricing. Based on the data they have provided their Stage 1 pump will offer similar performance to the B58TU pump, while their Stage 2 will offer people who are looking for even more power a great option. Logs: These are my personal logs after installing the DE Stage 1 HPFP, this is a custom E50 Tune by Wedge, Dyno’d at 470WHP/520WTQ Wedge E50 V6 3rd Gear (Dorch HPFP) Wedge E50 V6 5th Gear Dyno Logs on Pure800: These are also some logs of my current progress on the Pure 800 on E40. Wedge E40 V1.5 Pure800 3rd & 4th Gear Logs **I will update when more information becomes available** PNP: Yes - Dorch provides a wiring harness extension that just plugs right in and MHD/BM3 both provide a Flash Option that loads the pump calibration. Where To Buy: 1. Dorch Engineering Stage 1 HPFP 2. Dorch Engineering Stage 2 HPFP My Personal Thoughts: My thoughts on the Dorch Stage 1 HPFP so far: I would highly recommend this pump to anyone who is looking to get more power out of their stock turbo or upgraded turbo. We were able to push my stock turbo 340i to 470WHP/520WTQ using this pump, which I believe we could have pushed more if it weren’t for the fact my spark plugs were messed up (which I discovered a week after the dyno session). I’d highly recommend the Stage 1 HPFP to anyone planning to use pump gas on upgraded turbo (I have the Pure800), but if you plan to run heavy E85 Mix’s (E40,E50,E60+) i’d recommend the Stage 2 pump which I am waiting to be delivered. Dyno Results: Here are my dyno results from using the DE Stage 1 on E50. Pump still had plenty of headroom. Wedge E50 V6 5th Gear Dyno 3. XDI/TTFS XDI-35 HPFP Photo Credit: Facebook B58 Enthusiast User Sabastian Mcnett XDI is a well known player in the HPFP game, they offered the XDI-35 for the N55 with great results. They now have a B58 XDI-35 that is currently in development and hasn't been released yet, but if you contact them directly you can purchase a pre-release pump. PNP: Yes. MHD/BM3(?) Flash Option for XDI HPFP. Where To Buy: 1. Contact XDI/TTFS via E-Mail 4. Spool Performance HPFP From Spools Website: Quote:
Where To Buy: 1. Spool FX-150 I will be updating this thread as more options become available. If I left anything out or you feel like I should add something, feel free to post or shoot me a private message. I'll be happy to add more information. Latest Update: 02/06/2020 @ 5:47PM - Dorch pumps are now fully Plug N Play, MHD/BM3 both have flash options. - Fixed link to Spool HPFP (Accidently linked to N55 pump, fixed now) Previous Updates: 02/06/2020 @ 12:09AM - Updated Dorch Engineering HPFP Section (Revised description, personal thoughts, and logs) - Updated Spool Performance HPFP Section 1/09/2020 @ 2:36AM - Updated Dorch Engineering HPFP Section with Dyno Results - Updated Spool Performance HPFP Section
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In regards to Spool I got the following info.
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As for your XDI order, be sure to keep us updated on it. I personally purchased the DE Stage 1 pump to use for my Pure 800 turbo I just ordered.
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Great idea for this thread.
I think it's important to include that the pressure relief valve (pressure regulator) for HDP6 is fixed at 400 bar and although the tuning of the fuel quantity control valve via PWM signal can target 200 bar (2900 PSI) there may be instances where pressure far exceeds that, potentially over 5800 PSI. Our HDEV 5.2 injectors are designed for 200 bar Both XDI-35 and Dorch Stage 1 have a 2900 PSI design and matched pressure relief valve
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I have a TU pump on the way. Paid $650 for it used on eBay.de. Look out for used pumps from wrecked vehicles and it becomes a much better value.
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I am eyeing XDI since they have the experience in this space but probably the most expensive. |
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Thread Updated: Added possible concerns/drawbacks section under the B58TU HPFP.
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As far as under what conditions it may occur, I've included a couple of data log links from from drag strip runs with stock HPFP and E30 mix on a MHD Stage 2 95_102 map. In these two runs rail pressure seems to spike around WOT gear changes, possibly due to there being a boost spike with our EWG/lack of diverter valve? As the stock pump has what appears to be a 250 bar relief valve pressure can get up to about 3500 PSI. https://datazap.me/u/ozbmr/m140i-dra...ata=4-16-17-19 https://datazap.me/u/ozbmr/m140i-dra...ata=4-16-17-19
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Correct. I also think there's little benefit in upgrading the pump unless you're also upgrading the turbo
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Even with the meth my rail pressure was still dipping quite a bit, the car still has a lot more potential, I just need the fueling to support it. As far as I know, there are a couple people maxing their stock turbos around 500whp with upgraded HPFP/Supplemental fueling.
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It's actually a better investment than meth considering a decent meth setup will run you north of $700, then you also have to maintain it. Compared to a HPFP you will constantly need maintenance (filling tank, cleaning nozzles/filter every so often, etc), where the HPFP is just install it and you can forget it. The main reason I got it was so I could push more power on my stock turbo and also ditch the meth because it's a pain in the arse. Everyone has different needs and preferences, that is just my personal take on the matter.
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The camfollower looks fine, no damage. I think the damage this guy had was caused by a install error. I can confirm I never had a single problem with the pump, it always performed like expected. The b58tu pump works at around 3200psi taper to 2900psi. This is on e30. It just follows the target provided by the ecu. It never goes higher. Last edited by Martijn; 12-11-2019 at 05:26 AM.. |
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