[floridaorange]

Really sorry to hear this^^^^^^ I know the feeling. I had just installed a new battery, coils, 3 sets of spark plugs (trying to fix rough idle). But new tires is another level of despair for sure!

I've got headlights (halogen), stock downpipe, stock axleback exhaust, clear led blinkers (never used), a bunch of different f30 grills, stock intercooler, oil catch can (never used) in my garage.

Think anyone would want any of these items of my 2013 320i?

[Fade_The_Public]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

Really sorry to hear this^^^^^^ I know the feeling. I had just installed a new battery, coils, 3 sets of spark plugs (trying to fix rough idle). But new tires is another level of despair for sure!

I've got headlights (halogen), stock downpipe, stock axleback exhaust, clear led blinkers (never used), a bunch of different f30 grills, stock intercooler, oil catch can (never used) in my garage.

Think anyone would want any of these items of my 2013 320i?

I might need a stock downpipe for inspections. What you charging all-in?
I had my Wagner catless installed and my options are to either bribe my state inspector or to install the stock one that they threw out...

[floridaorange]

Dm'd

[sspade]

Originally Posted by Fade_The_Public

I might need a stock downpipe for inspections. What you charging all-in?
I had my Wagner catless installed and my options are to either bribe my state inspector or to install the stock one that they threw out...

You let them keep your OEM downpipe and you paid for install?!

They totally ripped you off, hope you learned your lesson.

If you believe a muffler shop threw away your cat and didnt scrap it for over $100, you're very naive.

These DP's are over $1k brand new lol

[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by sspade

You let them keep your OEM downpipe and you paid for install?!

They totally ripped you off, hope you learned your lesson.

If you believe a muffler shop threw away your cat and didnt scrap it for over $100, you're very naive.

These DP's are over $1k brand new lol

What should I be asking for mine? It has 30k miles on it.

[Pauloxxi]

Originally Posted by BMW D-zyne

Like many of you, I share the horror story of having my 2013 X3 spit out the MALFUNCTION warning and have the engine seize. I have been in contact with BMW corporate for several months...just mostly to annoy them because they are offering no real solution other than..."maybe" we'll assist with the repair bill AFTER it's repaired (no amount given just a MAYBE). This is my only vehicle which I bought CPO. I had been at the dealer 2 weeks earlier to have 4 brand new Pirelli tires installed at 83K miles....without any mention from the mechanic of noises in the engine or possible problems with the timing chain - but all of this must have been brewing from what I understand of the faulty part. So my car sits in the garage waiting for the outcome of this lawsuit. Other than this engine problem - my BMW is in perfect condition...with new tires! So, if anyone is looking for some parts, I may be scrapping it out to finish paying off my loan if they don't produce a recall to cover the repair expense.

Please complain in NHTSA website... let's flood with complaints... It is unbelievable we pay what we pay for this car to break the engine this way

https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2013/B...RWD#complaints

[sspade]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

What should I be asking for mine? It has 30k miles on it.

Only worth about a hundred or so depending upon the current precious metals market.

If you can find someone who needs a used one (to use, not scrap)... I could see it being worth $300.

[floridaorange]

Sold it for $300

I'm guessing my oem axleback and oem intercooler are scrap?

[sjbender]

The PACER system is not working too reliably to check on case status over the last couple days however, the 2/14 date is still listed as the settlement day. The two sides had to submit their settlement offers 5 days prior. So BMW would have had to submit something to the court last Friday.

I have not seen any extensions so, it seems like its still a go. We may not have access to the settlement agreement details for a bit of time afterwards. I am thinking the PACER entry would likely say something along the lines of settlement entered, etc.

Its been long enough!

[PK2348]

Originally Posted by Bmac850

As I understand it....the 2/14 date is rock solid and a settlement must be reached that day. Let's hope that's true! I have a pretty good feeling about this!

I don't understand the part "must be". What made you think this is the case? There is no requirement in a litigation to reach a settlement

[DadzBmer_N2o]

Originally Posted by MattyBeams

I saw in a different thread that sludge and the Start/Stop are the main culprit - warming ur car up, 5000-6000 mile oil changes, and coding out or keeping Start/Stop are going to be the biggest helps you can do prior to warning signs.

Also i read elsewhere to not use Eco-Pro mode, i stopped using that after i read the thread post on it, basically summed up as it puts stress on the chain when it engages off throttle to that effect..

[Slick_FThirty]

Originally Posted by DadzBmer_N2o

Also i read elsewhere to not use Eco-Pro mode, i stopped using that after i read the thread post on it, basically summed up as it puts stress on the chain when it engages off throttle to that effect..

Aren't you referring to just the auto start/stop?

[DadzBmer_N2o]

Originally Posted by TechiGamer

Aren't you referring to just the auto start/stop?

Eco-Pro, even having the ASS button turned off, is what they said still puts stress on the timing chain. It apparently slacks during off throttle, then engaging it abruptly, causing some of the stress. Even if you google it, it goes into very technical details, i was trying my best us to understand it in N20 terms, lol..

Edit: This was a quoted comment from this YTuber checking his TC out on vid:

"Matthew Wong
2 years ago
Engine is at 48k miles early 2012 build. Engine timing chain is no longer loose, from what I can surmise, when the engine is cold, the oil pressured tensioner causes the chain to have slack. This could potentially cause vibrations especially with Auto Start Stop when the engine is not up to operating temps. These vibrations could in turn cause the tensioner to crack and cause catastrophic engine damage."

[wilbur_the_goose]

@Bmac850 - and what would those letters say? Would they (God forbid!) replace the chain assembly before the engine blew?

[Pauloxxi]

Originally Posted by wilbur_the_goose

@Bmac850 - and what would those letters say? Would they (God forbid!) replace the chain assembly before the engine blew?

Replace before the failure is a "recall". And they probably don't want that... reason why the mentioned letter can be the preferred option.
Maybe they will extend the warranty, longer than 70,000 miles / 7 years.

[sjbender]

Just checked PACER and there have been no extensions as of 2/13. Tomorrow should hold for settlement day. Fingers crossed.

[PK2348]

Originally Posted by Bmac850

I am of the opinion that a settlement has been reached and is being presented to the court on 2/14. It's a bit of a hunch, however, from all the research I have done and people I have talked to (lawyers)....BMW wants to settle this case and keep it out of the media. By settling....the terms can be kept under wraps. BMW will be forced to send letters to all owners of possibly affected vehicles. Those owners that are not aware of situation, or haven't blown a motor yet will throw them away (since they will think its junk mail). BMW will be spared millions in cost by doing this vs being forced into a recall.

That is a lot of reaching and wishful thinking. Best course of action for BMW is to drag this out as long as possible.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by PK2348

That is a lot of reaching and wishful thinking. Best course of action for BMW is to drag this out as long as possible.

Outside counsel fees vs. mass repair fees...someone's doing the cost analysis...

[RMachuca3d]

Originally Posted by arsenal

Outside counsel fees vs. mass repair fees...someone's doing the cost analysis...

Part of me feels that bmw will offer a discount to existing n20\26 owners to trade up to a new car, this way they mitigate the losses from having to cover repairs up front, hopefully it would come also with more mileage\time for the extended warranty to cover us from TC failures.

[PK2348]

Originally Posted by arsenal

Outside counsel fees vs. mass repair fees...someone's doing the cost analysis...

I am sure BMW has a sizable legal department, the incremental cost of handling this issue is very likely a drop in a bucket compared to cost of massive recall.

[PK2348]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

Part of me feels that bmw will offer a discount to existing n20\26 owners to trade up to a new car, this way they mitigate the losses from having to cover repairs up front, hopefully it would come also with more mileage\time for the extended warranty to cover us from TC failures.

That sounds like paying twice for one problem.
1st they offer a discount, which costs them, then they end up with a traded in N20 vehicle which likely requires TC update, therefore another expense. Unlikely.

[AtlantaDan]

So much misinformation here.

Auto start/stop has nothing to do with the guides breaking, nor does it place undue stress on the timing chain. You put the same amount of stress on the chain by revving the engine from idle - which is to say "a negligent amount". The oiling system also remains pressurized once the car is warmed up and the auto S/S function activates, so there is no increased wear on the bearings.

The guides are breaking due to a bad chemical composition of the plastic that breaks down over time with exposure to petroleum and heat. The chain itself is "stretching" because of crappy metallurgy and construction, but mostly due to OCI's that are laughably too long, and/or using the wrong oil. It's not the metal of the links that is stretching, either. It's the clearances between the rollers, the cams, and the links. Over time, those clearances widen. Multiply those increased clearances over the length of the entire chain and you have a 'stretched chain'.

Example: if 1/64th of an inch wears between the pins and links - the chain will "stretch" by nearly 3/4"

BMW had the same issue with the guides failing on previous engines, as well. Look at the M62. Every single one of them had, or will have, guide failure. This is not a new BMW problem.