[SkyJawa]

Found this quite interesting, he also discusses the ridiculous current state of the industry and why it’s got like this. Definitely seems things are broken and need fixing.

Oh and 20k deposit in and it’s still over 400pm more expensive on a phev RR Sport to a diesel one, bonkers! (If you could even get insurance )

[Sennen]

What a great watch, thank you OP for posting

One word comes to mind ...... Betamax....... anyone that has purchased one of these 'white elephants' with private money needs to give their head a serious shake

[JD6]

He makes some very good points, particularly it is pretty crazy that we can’t see a battery degradation figure of a used car. It does make buying a used EV a total minefield. I guess you just have to buy from a dealer and reject within 14 days (which I think you can do without giving a reason) if the range is below expectations.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Sennen

What a great watch, thank you OP for posting

One word comes to mind ...... Betamax....... anyone that has purchased one of these 'white elephants' with private money needs to give their head a serious shake

I'll put that in the same category as your "dont buy a car, the crash is coming" advice - just before you bought 4 yourself....

I got a battery report on my 16 month old car before I bought it, no quibbles. Never been able to get a compression report or view on bore scoring etc before I bought an ICE...

Damn, I bit...

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

Damn, I bit...

Its because you have never needed to tow a caravan up the Alps in the middle of winter whilst racing Max Vestappen. EVs are totally useless for that purpose didn't you know.

[davyk31]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

Its because you have never needed to tow a caravan up the Alps in the middle of winter whilst racing Max Vestappen. EVs are totally useless for that purpose didn't you know.

Don’t you mean towing a caravan up the Alps in the middle of winter which racing Max Vestappen for 450 miles non stop on the one day! 😀

I have given my head a good shake and still love my privately purchased Taycan.

[boba-fett]

More Laserdisk as they where expensive to buy

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by JD6

He makes some very good points, particularly it is pretty crazy that we can’t see a battery degradation figure of a used car. It does make buying a used EV a total minefield. I guess you just have to buy from a dealer and reject within 14 days (which I think you can do without giving a reason) if the range is below expectations.

As Ian mentioned, you can indeed do this if you want it's no big deal.

More to the point, battery degradation in general does not appear to be a significant problem in EVs with the exception of the first gen Nissan Leaf.

If the car you're buying is less than 8 years old it's a non-issue anyway as the battery will be under warranty.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by TimMcC

As Ian mentioned, you can indeed do this if you want it's no big deal.

More to the point, battery degradation in general does not appear to be a significant problem in EVs with the exception of the first gen Nissan Leaf.

If the car you're buying is less than 8 years old it's a non-issue anyway as the battery will be under warranty.

In the video, Harry mentioned that when he’d asked for this, the dealer wanted the car for a day. It just feels like this should be much more easily available, as it is with Battery Health on an iPhone. I buy reconditioned iPhones for my son, as they do sometimes get broken. The two details which govern the price are condition and Battery Health.

Glad to hear battery degradation isn’t usually a significant problem, but it is still an issue for a car under 8 years old. The warranty only covers a certain percentage of original capacity (70-80 I think) and I’d like to be able to make an informed decision when buying a car. One with 99% capacity is worth much more to me than one with 81%.

I have just bought a 1 year old EV, but my approach was just to be prepared to return it to the main dealer if it wasn’t good enough.

[boba-fett]

With all this info and issues coming through (most likely be more as they age) and the fact they depreciate like a stone and would offset any savings you MIGHT make on MPG...

...why would you still buy one?

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by boba-fett

With all this info and issues coming through (most likely be more as they age) and the fact they depreciate like a stone and would offset any savings you MIGHT make on MPG...

...why would you still buy one?

Well, I'm possibly looking at an MG4 as a second car / runabout. Lease costs are cheap, running costs will be bugger all as we can charge at home, and we won't be chucking loads of crap into the air whilst sitting in traffic on the way to the many child dropoffs / pickups we do......

It was an interesting video, but focused on the high end cars. These are the ones that are most skewed by the business tax relief / BIK / Salary Sacrifice etc, and are the ones that are depreciating the fasted.

Yes, there are still issues around EVs (Tesla repairs being a good example), what will really happen to 10-15 year old ones, what about if you can't charge at home etc, but if people can get past the Daily Fail headlines, for a lot of people they can make a lot of sense. And local air quality, if nothing else, will benefit.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by boba-fett

With all this info and issues coming through (most likely be more as they age) and the fact they depreciate like a stone and would offset any savings you MIGHT make on MPG...

...why would you still buy one?

In my case, I hadn’t planned to. I was going to change my 8 year old Mini Cooper D for a new or newish Cooper S. Then I had a loan Mini Electric for the day while my car was in, and to my surprise, really enjoyed it. It handled better than the Cooper S I’d borrowed. It was the first time I’ve enjoyed an EV, having driven quite a few,

Whether it makes financial sense or not is another matter - I guess time will tell. But I wouldn’t have bought the 8 Series if I was that was my priority. I just buy what I feel like buying.

[crAbb]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Found this quite interesting, he also discusses the ridiculous current state of the industry and why it’s got like this. Definitely seems things are broken and need fixing.

Oh and 20k deposit in and it’s still over 400pm more expensive on a phev RR Sport to a diesel one, bonkers! (If you could even get insurance )

As usual Metcalf hits the nail on the head. As I've been saying for many years, we should all be buying diesel

[boba-fett]

Originally Posted by JD6

I just buy what I feel like buying.

I respect that

[E60525d]

Originally Posted by boba-fett

With all this info and issues coming through (most likely be more as they age) and the fact they depreciate like a stone and would offset any savings you MIGHT make on MPG...

...why would you still buy one?

As with all cars regardless of them petrol, electric, diesel, hybrid, etc, there are good examples and bad examples.

Range rover looks like a prime example where diesel is still better based on the the finance example he gave. But also saying that the old P400e was also a shocker, it was a terrible car new (WTF wants a 2.0 in a RR!) and even a terrible car 2nd hand.

As a business car they made sense, cheaper to obtain and cheaper to run. It was the people buying these as used cars who got conned!

[E60525d]

Originally Posted by crAbb

As usual Metcalf hits the nail on the head. As I've been saying for many years, we should all be buying diesel

For a big SUV, I agree!

[boba-fett]

Originally Posted by E60525d

As with all cars regardless of them petrol, electric, diesel, hybrid, etc, there are good examples and bad examples.

Range rover looks like a prime example where diesel is still better based on the the finance example he gave. But also saying that the old P400e was also a shocker, it was a terrible car new (WTF wants a 2.0 in a RR!) and even a terrible car 2nd hand.

As a business car they made sense, cheaper to obtain and cheaper to run. It was the people buying these as used cars who got conned!

Define "conned" ?

[E60525d]

Originally Posted by boba-fett

Define "conned" ?

As per Harry's video, manufacturer promising big claims on paper which were miles off in reality!

[Pond]

This forum really needs it's name changing to "the ICE vs EV argument forum".

It seems every other thread is something to do with it and mostly ends up being a slanging match.

I want a hydrogen powered car, just to be different!

[boba-fett]

Originally Posted by E60525d

As per Harry's video, manufacturer promising big claims on paper which were miles off in reality!

Quite, but what did people expect with a battery. Duracel have been saying for years that there battery's last up to 10 times longer than others, but they don't! Think they have had to change that slogan now!

[boba-fett]

Originally Posted by Pond

This forum really needs it's name changing to "the ICE vs EV argument forum".

It seems every other thread is something to do with it and mostly ends up being a slanging match.

I want a hydrogen powered car, just to be different!

Long live petrol V8's!

[KRS_SN]

There wasn't any new information In the video but when Harry says that there is an amount of respectability associated with it.
A heavy Lux family SUV currently is best suited to a diesel powertrain for a variety of range and purchase price related reasons . And there is no need to go very fast either in these.
Bjorn Nyland Investigates the degradation of batteries by a lengthy process, which involves charging the car full, running it down to zero . Then putting electricity into it then using gadgets to calculate etc. Surely not be that troublesome but I suspect manufacturers purposely don't make the process easier?