06-26-2019, 01:29 PM | #155 |
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06-26-2019, 01:57 PM | #156 |
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I don't think you can gauge the health of plastic guides by looking at them. I mean, how does one know what brittle plastic, which is about to break at any second, looks like? It probably looks just like plastic that will last another 100K. The chain is either stretched, or it isn't -- and the guides are whole one second, and broke another.
Yes, some people have won the lottery and suffered broken guides -- and managed to get it fixed before a piece blocks the oil pick-up and grenades the engine, or the timing chain skips. But other than to see if they've already broken, my guess is that inspecting the guides has very little, if any, value. |
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06-26-2019, 05:27 PM | #158 | |
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Full procedure: https://bmwtechnician.com/2019/01/31...ain-7-70-list/ https://bmwtechnician.files.wordpres...08/image1.jpeg https://bmwtechnician.files.wordpres.../08/image.jpeg https://bmwtechnician.files.wordpres...08/image2.jpeg https://bmwtechnician.files.wordpres...08/image3.jpeg Last edited by natesi; 06-26-2019 at 05:35 PM.. |
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06-26-2019, 05:39 PM | #159 |
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PS -- here's a site that allegedly tells you if your particular car is covered under the 7/70 extended warranty.
http://bmw-rp.com/production/bmw/rei...nsf/submit.xsp |
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07-01-2019, 11:20 AM | #161 | |
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They are changing the timing chain and guides as well as the oil pump chain. I pick it up tomorrow. |
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07-02-2019, 01:34 PM | #162 |
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For those who wonder what gets done here's a invoice of mine getting done:
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07-02-2019, 01:38 PM | #163 |
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I also asked the rate of these issues happening and to my surprise its a fair amount from what a Lead Tech and SA told me I think he mentioned 1:150-1:250
I immediately gave them this look like you couldn't be more specific lol
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07-02-2019, 04:12 PM | #164 |
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I'm surprised they even told you that. If it's true it doesn't sound like good odds, to me.
I just hope the revised parts actually fix the problem because apparently my car is excluded from the extended warranty (built just 3 months after the cut off period). |
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07-02-2019, 05:44 PM | #165 | |
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Today I passed the 70k miles on the ODO, i cried a little as im on the original TC and no EW for me. |
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07-02-2019, 06:40 PM | #166 |
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Yes, but we don't know if the updated timing chain even fixes the issue. These things take years to find out -- BMW didn't make a revision to the n20 timing chain until 2015 -- after the engine had been in production for 4 years! There's even an updated timing chain tensioner, which came out after that -- which my car doesn't have.
Only time will tell. I think this was a MAJOR fuck up though, on BMWs part. I mean, who is going to buy a car, on the used market, that can self-destruct at any moment? I haven't had the problem, and hopefully won't, but I'm appalled at the measly 7 year / 70K extended warranty. I think that's just unethical -- obviously most failures will be after that and owners will be up-the-creek. The least they could do is 10 years / 120K -- to stand behind their product and take responsibility for their own rushed design and lack-luster testing efforts. No one should expect to have timing chain issues at such low mileage. Last edited by natesi; 07-02-2019 at 06:49 PM.. |
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07-02-2019, 10:27 PM | #167 |
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Here's a couple videos of people who did some level of documenting their timing chain replacement:
It looks pretty involved. The last video said it took him 40 hours so far, and thousands on tools and parts. |
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07-03-2019, 03:03 PM | #169 |
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BNW has one of the highest profit margins in the automotive industry. They can afford to warranty their mistake to 120K, or some other half-reasonable mileage.
Do they want to? Of course not. BMW probably thought about it and figured: (1) their most profitable customers lease their cars and won't experience this issue -- and (2) the potential loss of future sales due to bad PR and pissed-off owners will not cost more than taking responsibility for their mistake. Plus, this way, (3) the true cost of their mistake is never fully realized on their books. Hence, everyone gets their annual bonus, stock holders are happy, deadlines were met, and everyone looks like a fucking hero after a paltry, and token, 7 year / 70k warranty extension is offered -- which allows BMW to re-assure themselves and pretend they did the right thing. It's a big corporate circle-jerk with no accountability. And it's also a business decision based on what they think will be most profitable in the short and long-run. So, I get all that -- but it is also unethical, IMO. |
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08-14-2019, 07:40 PM | #171 |
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That blows. Sorry no one has chimed in about your blown engine -- the topic has been beat to death and it's just a shitty situation. BMW has lost a lot of credibility and loyal customers by not holding themselves accountable for their own mistakes. I mean, most timing BELTS will last 82K (as in your case) -- so it's obviously their screw up if timing CHAIN assemblies are going bad in as much time -- grenading the engine.
My engine is allegedly unaffected (with the "revised" parts), but even I'm appalled and at how they are handling this and not sure if I ever want to buy a BMW again -- not sure if I can support a company with such horrifyingly bad moral behavior. Good luck with whatever you decide to do -- it's a tough decision. Keep us posted. |
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I hope there will be a positive outcome for you guys
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This board is all very familiar with the lawsuit (including the URL with Nov 2018 update that you posted). What is new is what you indicate above about your conversation with lawyers involved in the suit....could u please elaborate? Is there any public posting consistent with this NEW info from which we can draw more? Or should we write this off as lawyer-salesman-speak? Thanks !
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