[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by smithe90

There usually are minor interior changes on LCI. On the E90 the cupholder trim and start/stop button are two things that most people will actually pay to retrofit into their pre-lci cars.

But those things are very minor and nothing to write home about regardless of how many people retrofit them and definitely not going to transform the F30 interior into what the C-Class has/is.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Actually there will be a slight refreshing of the interior , nothing major as customers are happy with the layout and ergonomics. There will be updated trims and additional details in the refresh.

The main adjustment to the worlds best premium sedan will be new engines and adjustments to the steering as well as modern updated technology and a Plug in Hybrid Drive 330e.
In order to keep the 3er as the benchmark in the segment.

In regards to the C-Klasse. Whilst it may look like an S-Klasse the key difference from an S-Klasse is that the metal details might be metal in the S-Klasse , they are not in the C-Klasse.

Those things are expected but other than the improvement in steering, many are happy with how the pre-LCI F30 performs, the updates are a bonus. Many gripes of the F30 is and will always be the interior. Some people didn't like it compared to the E9X and these concerns got worse after the C-Class was introduced. Not sure why people think BMW is going do a serious upgrade to the interior, it has never happened before.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Gins

In before the F80 M3 whining! Can't say E90 M3 owners didn't tell you so!

E90 M3 hit the scene as an MY2008 in late spring 2008, and the MY2009 E90 LCI came just a few months later in late summer 2008.

F80 M3 hit the scene as an MY2015 in early summer 2014, but the MY2016 F30/F80 LCI won't be here until summer 2015.

So yes, LCI comes second model year again, but the difference is the M3 hit early this model year - before the 3 did, even. So no one wanted to wait an entire year for some tail lights anyway. Now, for people planning to take delivery next year anyway - yes, they should take notice.

Plus, we've has multiple high profile discussions about this on F80.bimmerpost so people have had multiple opportunities to inform themselves. I tried to do that back in 2008 too, but I think this time the audience is more up to speed. We'll see soon.

[ShlemonboostedM]

Any engine specs on B58 ?

[Paigey]

Originally Posted by Mahzari

It corresponds to the change in horsepower that is expected with the new engine. The N54 to N55 did not receive a change because BMW kept the same quoted 300hp. The 340i is expected to produce 340-360hp.

Looks like I'm holding off an ordering a 340i M-Sport now... And I guess I'm a sucker since I'll pay $1,900 for the Lighting Package

It's only going to be a 320-330hp from what the insider has said, not 340-360hp.

[ssstraub]

Originally Posted by ChesterM2

Whoa some one just invented rear LED lights at BMW whoa....oh no wait they were held back on £xx,xxx cars but are standard on Seats.

Really cheap BMW, shame on you.p

Great for those looking at 2016s.

Don't worry, the next gen 3 Series in 2019 is where BMW will "forget" that LED tail lights were standard and revert back to incandescent bulbs until the 2022 LCI where they get rediscovered again.

Meanwhile, full LED tail lights will continue to be common across all other manufacturers including the 12k econoboxes.

[ssstraub]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

But those things are very minor and nothing to write home about regardless of how many people retrofit them and definitely not going to transform the F30 interior into what the C-Class has/is.

Styling is subjective. There is nothing about the C-Class that I prefer to the F30. Nothing.

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Many gripes of the F30 is and will always be the interior. Some people didn't like it compared to the E9X and these concerns got worse after the C-Class was introduced.

F30 interior > E46 >>>>> E90

Styling is subjective.

[Alex_bm]

Originally Posted by Gins

In before the F80 M3 whining! Can't say E90 M3 owners didn't tell you so!

Right. Because we all buy cars for their lightning capabilities. Man!

[Xtabi]

Thanks for the post Jason. I am heading out in 12 hours to two different dealers to finalize my color build. This may now sway me in waiting a little longer (I've waited ~3 years at this point what's another few months )

And seeing how I can't talk myself into any of the colors currently offered I may get a double bonus by waiting (LEDs + new colors).

[Stein]

Hoping to see the inclusion of the leather dashboard with the LCI!

[Falafel Combo]

Welcomed news. Looking forward to more details.

[puma1552]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Actually there will be a slight refreshing of the interior , nothing major as customers are happy with the layout and ergonomics. There will be updated trims and additional details in the refresh.

The main adjustment to the worlds best premium sedan will be new engines and adjustments to the steering as well as modern updated technology and a Plug in Hybrid Drive 330e.
In order to keep the 3er as the benchmark in the segment.

In regards to the C-Klasse. Whilst it may look like an S-Klasse the key difference from an S-Klasse is that the metal details might be metal in the S-Klasse , they are not in the C-Klasse.

lol, the C-class is premium, the A4 is premium, the F30? Hardly, but it's easily the most expensive. Once the B9 A4 rolls out BMW will be so far behind it won't even be funny. BMW's interiors are so, so, so low-rent for the price paid.

Originally Posted by ssstraub

Don't worry, the next gen 3 Series in 2019 is where BMW will "forget" that LED tail lights were standard and revert back to incandescent bulbs until the 2022 LCI where they get rediscovered again.

Meanwhile, full LED tail lights will continue to be common across all other manufacturers including the 12k econoboxes.

Yes, the rinse and repeat decontenting and recontenting is wearing pretty thin, especially at the price point.

[Law]

Love the new lights
Hate the new nomenclature

[chicochico]

Will the 4 series and F82 also get the LED tail lights?

[Sladester100]

Originally Posted by smithe90

Damn, those new LED tails look nice. I'll be damned if I waste the money to put them on my lease.

If its true that LED is now the option and Xenon is standard then I will be both happy and angry. Happy because I've said from the beginning that BMW should stop cheating out and make Xenon standard with LED as the option but pissed because I have the halogens

I was chatting to a dealer whilst the other half looked at the 2-Series Active Tourer the other week and we flicked through options books; the LED lights are the replacement for Xenons (due to cost and function improvement) I was told and (annoyingly) you have to spec the LED lighting package to get the adaptive headlights and high bean assist etc etc despite the fact that this is all available on the Xenons (obviously). The option was still nearly £2k! Surely if Xenons become standard you should be able to option the lighting package at a reduced cost as you already have the units?

On the note of LED, not sure until I see them in the flesh what they're like. They are supposed to be the closest to natural daylight you can get. And as long as the projectors are a decent set up the beam pattern is as good if not better than xenon projection (I did read previously somewhere that the LED beam was a bit scattered and didn't actually give a better 'drivers view'). The current upgraded lighting with Xenons is absolutely spectacular!


Still. How 'standard' will they really be... Just means another hike in base cost? #Cynic

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Actually there will be a slight refreshing of the interior , nothing major as customers are happy with the layout and ergonomics. There will be updated trims and additional details in the refresh.

The main adjustment to the worlds best premium sedan will be new engines and adjustments to the steering as well as modern updated technology and a Plug in Hybrid Drive 330e.
In order to keep the 3er as the benchmark in the segment.

In regards to the C-Klasse. Whilst it may look like an S-Klasse the key difference from an S-Klasse is that the metal details might be metal in the S-Klasse , they are not in the C-Klasse.

Scott as the B47 already made it's way under the hood of the F10 can you say what are the power figures that bmw expect for the future?

Seem like 20D is now 190PS and that the 25i is 231PS. What can we expect from the 30 I/D 40I/D 50 D level of the B serie engine?

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by ssstraub

Styling is subjective. There is nothing about the C-Class that I prefer to the F30. Nothing.



F30 interior > E46 >>>>> E90

Styling is subjective.

Yes it is subjective, but the fact remains, a lot of people including those on this forum do not like the F30 interior and prefer the E90. I happen to like it because it resembles the E90 but the layout is more modern but you're in the minority that think the F30 interior comes even close to what's being offered in the C-Class. While I have no problems with the F30, you put the two side by side and it looks outdated and it's only at mid-cycle.

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Actually there will be a slight refreshing of the interior , nothing major as customers are happy with the layout and ergonomics. There will be updated trims and additional details in the refresh.

The main adjustment to the worlds best premium sedan will be new engines and adjustments to the steering as well as modern updated technology and a Plug in Hybrid Drive 330e.
In order to keep the 3er as the benchmark in the segment.

In regards to the C-Klasse. Whilst it may look like an S-Klasse the key difference from an S-Klasse is that the metal details might be metal in the S-Klasse , they are not in the C-Klasse.

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by PCR0303

What are you talking about? I believe the F80/F82 have the same front headlight/grill design which is from the 4. Kinda like how the E90/E92 M had the same headlight/grills as the regular E92 generation.


In any case, the new headlight/grill design will probably look more so like the 4 series than ever (if not exactly the same) especially because the option of LED headlights. One thing I noticed in those pictures though, the turn signal appears to flash at the top eyebrow (like F10 LCI w/ LED) vs. 4 series LED that have turn signals flash at the sides of the headlights.

My bad, I meant F30 looks sloppy compared to the 4 series, not the F80.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by chicochico

Will the 4 series and F82 also get the LED tail lights?

No. That will happen with the LCI for those cars, sometime in 2017.

[Imola.ZHP]

Originally Posted by The English Guy

Picture 4 - touchscreen GPS / iDrive

Awesome catch!

I believe your right!

[StealYourFace]

Looks like it will turn out great.

I just hope manual gear boxes won't be excluded from even more of the 3er lineup this year...

[kbrower]

Would luv to understand the differences between the N55 and B58. As an F30 owner, any improvements in these inline six's are worth the upgrade. Best engine ever developed. I just installed a Dinan tune, and can out-accelerate a new M3 or M4 (but they'd catch up eventually..:-) I see a new 440i x-drive coupe in my future.