[tezzy]

Originally Posted by Kri

...4/8 core 2.0 Ghz MTK Processor (2/4 core unknown MTK, 8 Core seem to be Helio P60 CPU )
...
In Terms of raw performance the new CPU seems to be around +30 ~ +100% faster than the Snapdragon 625 CPU.

However as the SD625 CPU with 4GB ram does have not real performance issue at the moment its not sure yet what benefit that new hardware will have at all.
On this upgrade the more important factor is the Software.
...

I am looking to buy a unit but the 30s boot up time sounds like it would annoy me.

Has anyone tried out the MTK P60.

I am curious if this unit will have a faster boot time and/or if extra ram will allow the unit to boot faster.

Or has anyone tested the boot times of units with more the 4G and the SD625 and see boot time improvements?

Additionally is this a real unit it claims an SD662 but I haven't seen it in the discussion?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005...08317864%22%7D

[RedErik]

Originally Posted by tezzy

I am looking to buy a unit but the 30s boot up time sounds like it would annoy me.

Has anyone tried out the MTK P60.

I am curious if this unit will have a faster boot time and/or if extra ram will allow the unit to boot faster.

Or has anyone tested the boot times of units with more the 4G and the SD625 and see boot time improvements?

Additionally is this a real unit it claims an SD662 but I haven't seen it in the discussion?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005...08317864%22%7D

No amount of RAM will ever fix boot up time issue. It's power management issues - these units boot from cold every single time.

If you value support (mostly community support but still regular updates from the manufacturer etc) and customisation options then you should stick to SD625 or SD662. Performance is the same on P60 and SD units, only differences can be seen in benchmarks but not in everyday usage.

[dandelion]

Seems like one of the updates forces hotspot to turn on at start up? Any way to disable that? I've downgraded back to 2.3.6 but this issue persists.

If you open your wifi settings right at boot up you can see wifi is turned on, then maybe 30 seconds later it's turned off and hotspot is turned on. Really annoying when trying to root or enable kswoverlay.

[serge858]

Originally Posted by RedErik

No amount of RAM will ever fix boot up time issue. It's power management issues - these units boot from cold every single time.

If you value support (mostly community support but still regular updates from the manufacturer etc) and customisation options then you should stick to SD625 or SD662. Performance is the same on P60 and SD units, only differences can be seen in benchmarks but not in everyday usage.

Now considering only SD625 is not enough in order to have further customisation options.

I was surprised recently that this screen has actual resolution 1920x720 and real SD625 (checked with CPU-Z and Aida64) but the SW is different from what we got used to it.
It has balanced CPU cores load btw which is good and also better harness - longer between quad locks so easy to install it.

I can't say this model is overall better or worse than those being discussed here, need more experience with it.

[RedErik]

Originally Posted by serge858

Now considering only SD625 is not enough in order to have further customisation options.

I was surprised recently that this screen has actual resolution 1920x720 and real SD625 (checked with CPU-Z and Aida64) but the SW is different from what we got used to it.
It has balanced CPU cores load btw which is good and also better harness - longer between quad locks so easy to install it.

I can't say this model is overall better or worse than those being discussed here, need more experience with it.

I've seen it before and you are right that SoC is not enough to identify a unit these days. One would have to closely examine the UI as well. I wonder how often can you get updates for it, if at all. I've been keep saying that over and over again - don't bother with updates, but if a unit is receiving regular updates it means someone is actually working on it. Whether that's improving anything or not is another topic.

Is that genuine Android 10 as well? So far I've only seen P60 units running A10 other than KSW SD units.

But in the end if one doesn't care about updates, customisation options, community apps and support then I guess they can get whatever they want.

[Kri]

Originally Posted by serge858

Now considering only SD625 is not enough in order to have further customisation options.

I was surprised recently that this screen has actual resolution 1920x720 and real SD625 (checked with CPU-Z and Aida64) but the SW is different from what we got used to it.
It has balanced CPU cores load btw which is good and also better harness - longer between quad locks so easy to install it.

I can't say this model is overall better or worse than those being discussed here, need more experience with it.

I also saw that before, what i noticed is that it seems some update around 1.68 or so did change (fake) the CPU specs displayed, it should be a SD450 in truth.
But unless someone does open it to see the chip itself we never know for sure.

Kri

[Konradical6]

Could you identify what unit I have from this?

[RedErik]

Originally Posted by Konradical6

Could you identify what unit I have from this?

SD450 2GB/32GB running KSW software... most likely.

[tezzy]

Originally Posted by RedErik

No amount of RAM will ever fix boot up time issue. ...

That would technically depend on how much data swapping is required during boot and also if there are any RAM tests during the boot.

Obviously the ssd is more likely to have an impact and so I am also curious if the 64/128/256 have different boot times as density of sdd can effect throughput or if they appear to be limited by the bus.

Additionally it would be interesting if processing power impacts boot time.

[ijs_99]

Hello,

Is it correct that when you answer or making a phonecall via the BT phone/communication, that all other apps, e.g. TomTom, Waze, Google maps, feezes?
Only the phone app works?

If so, then maybe it's easier for me to use the iDrive for my iPhone.

MCU Ver: 615095dALS-CIC-GTL-DC-210406
App Ver: Ksw-Q-Userdebug_OS_v3.1.5
System Ver: 10-8953EA-865938020791344
Storage: 45.52GB/64GB
RAM: 4GB

[RedErik]

Originally Posted by tezzy

That would technically depend on how much data swapping is required during boot and also if there are any RAM tests during the boot.

Obviously the ssd is more likely to have an impact and so I am also curious if the 64/128/256 have different boot times as density of sdd can effect throughput or if they appear to be limited by the bus.

Additionally it would be interesting if processing power impacts boot time.

Technically we can discuss minutiae details, RAM and eMMC implications, bus throughput and bottlenecks all day long but it doesn't change the fact that all units of this type boot in about 30sec +-5.

We are not discussing here a highly refined product like a flagship phone that can boot from cold in 10-15sec. These are hacked, poorly designed, unoptimised devices that use at least 2 year old hardware and devs hardly have any clue what they're doing.

[serge858]

Originally Posted by RedErik

I've seen it before and you are right that SoC is not enough to identify a unit these days. One would have to closely examine the UI as well. I wonder how often can you get updates for it, if at all. I've been keep saying that over and over again - don't bother with updates, but if a unit is receiving regular updates it means someone is actually working on it. Whether that's improving anything or not is another topic.

Is that genuine Android 10 as well? So far I've only seen P60 units running A10 other than KSW SD units.

But in the end if one doesn't care about updates, customisation options, community apps and support then I guess they can get whatever they want.

I don't know how to check whether it is genuine A10 or updated A9. Actually in terms of usage not much difference. Even A9 is more stable on SD625, no sound drops issue.
Fully agree if android is working well then no need updates.

Regarding that HU, apart from broken English and Russian translation, it works well and fast. The only and big issue I faced was the sound noise in the background, the louder music is the more noise you can hear. When the engine is running it gives even more noise. I tested a phone via aux in the armrest and there's no that noise. So the issue is definitely on android HU side.

I tried different aux setups - long cable from the HU to armrest, coded CIC for HU to be active and disabled aux/usb (to avoid using that extension cable), no difference. Tried also ground loop isolator, also no difference. Perhaps that long aux cable works like antenna? It is wired to the main android harness so I cannot unplug it, only to cut it off. This is what I'm going to do in the next round) Also perhaps separation of sound wires and shield them in the android harness will help. Any other thoughts?

Originally Posted by Kri

I also saw that before, what i noticed is that it seems some update around 1.68 or so did change (fake) the CPU specs displayed, it should be a SD450 in truth.
But unless someone does open it to see the chip itself we never know for sure.

Kri

Perhaps I will open the HU and make the chip photo to verify that. There are no warranty stickers fortunately)

[RedErik]

Originally Posted by serge858

I don't know how to check whether it is genuine A10 or updated A9. Actually in terms of usage not much difference. Even A9 is more stable on SD625, no sound drops issue.
Fully agree if android is working well then no need updates.

I was asking whether it's a genuine Android 10 or 8.1 pretending to be 10. You can check the API level with either CPU-Z or Device Info app.

Originally Posted by serge858

Regarding that HU, apart from broken English and Russian translation, it works well and fast. The only and big issue I faced was the sound noise in the background, the louder music is the more noise you can hear. When the engine is running it gives even more noise. I tested a phone via aux in the armrest and there's no that noise. So the issue is definitely on android HU side.

I tried different aux setups - long cable from the HU to armrest, coded CIC for HU to be active and disabled aux/usb (to avoid using that extension cable), no difference. Tried also ground loop isolator, also no difference. Perhaps that long aux cable works like antenna? It is wired to the main android harness so I cannot unplug it, only to cut it off. This is what I'm going to do in the next round) Also perhaps separation of sound wires and shield them in the android harness will help. Any other thoughts?

Technically audio cables don't have to be isolated from the mian harness, but to prevent any static noise and interference it should always be a pair of twisted cables. Obviously Android harness just uses 'standard' audio cable that is straight through and it will pick up all static. Proper grounding is another issues with these units but you've checked that already.

[rytec]

Can I update my Android HU from 2.8.6 to 3.1.5 in one time?

Do I have to reinstall all apps and configurations after this update?
Now I have rooted my device and installed an image which I got from RedErik, do I hev to reconfigure this all?

Thanks in advance.

[RedErik]

Originally Posted by rytec

Can I update my Android HU from 2.8.6 to 3.1.5 in one time?

Do I have to reinstall all apps and configurations after this update?

Thanks in advance.

You can do anything you want, but the question is why do you want update in the first place?

[rytec]

Originally Posted by ijs_99

Hello,

Is it correct that when you answer or making a phonecall via the BT phone/communication, that all other apps, e.g. TomTom, Waze, Google maps, feezes?
Only the phone app works?

If so, then maybe it's easier for me to use the iDrive for my iPhone.

MCU Ver: 615095dALS-CIC-GTL-DC-210406
App Ver: Ksw-Q-Userdebug_OS_v3.1.5
System Ver: 10-8953EA-865938020791344
Storage: 45.52GB/64GB
RAM: 4GB

I also use my iDrive BT connection to make phone calls, it works better for me.

[rytec]

Originally Posted by RedErik

You can do anything you want, but the question is why do you want update in the first place?

Well, I have read the update logs and I noticed some improvements for the sound, graphics and also it's nice to see that it's possible to choose your custom music and videoplayer in the gui of KSW.

Wouldn't you recommend to update maybe?

And do I have to reinstall/reconfigure all things?

[RedErik]

Originally Posted by rytec

Well, I have read the update logs and I noticed some improvements for the sound, graphics and also it's nice to see that it's possible to choose your custom music and videoplayer in the gui of KSW.

Wouldn't you recommend to update maybe?

And do I have to reinstall/reconfigure all things?

There are no improvements to the sound, there are changes, but you can't improve anything with some code changes when the hardware itself is... well poor.

If you care for selecting music and video from your main tiles, then yeah might be good enough reason to update, but personally I wouldn't bother. I would use custom launcher that is fully customisable and allows you to select whatever you want wherever you want - like ID7 Launcher by Jellepepe.

Yes, you have to redo most of your config if you update.

[rytec]

Originally Posted by RedErik

There are no improvements to the sound, there are changes, but you can't improve anything with some code changes when the hardware itself is... well poor.

If you care for selecting music and video from your main tiles, then yeah might be good enough reason to update, but personally I wouldn't bother. I would use custom launcher that is fully customisable and allows you to select whatever you want wherever you want - like ID7 Launcher by Jellepepe.

Yes, you have to redo most of your config if you update.

OK great, thanks for this straight answer

I will have a look at the ID7 launcher

[ijs_99]

Originally Posted by rytec

I also use my iDrive BT connection to make phone calls, it works better for me.

Thanks

[serge858]

Originally Posted by Kri

I also saw that before, what i noticed is that it seems some update around 1.68 or so did change (fake) the CPU specs displayed, it should be a SD450 in truth.
But unless someone does open it to see the chip itself we never know for sure.

Kri

Here's what I saw when opened the HU cover. Actually I couldn't identify the CPU chip. I think it is behind the LTE chip, am I right?

[Petrusis]

Hello Guys, Greetings from Lithuania 🇱🇹! I bought an e60 which has android head unit installed by previous owner. It's an android 10 4 gigs of ram and 64gb. Question is do all versions of head units with SD625 has an DSP chip? Because I can't find a EQ app. I'm attaching the pic of settings screen, maybe I should update it? And can this be done straight from 1.5.7 to 3.1.5? Sorry for my dumb questions!