F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > General F30 Sedan / F32 Coupe / F36 Gran Coupe Forum > F30 leaky differential mount - Please educate me
Studio RSR
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-20-2021, 06:21 PM   #1
southpaw92
New Member
3
Rep
18
Posts

Drives: 2017 BMW 330i
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Lightbulb F30 leaky differential mount - Please educate me

Hi everyone, CPO warranty of my 2017 330i RWD is due to expire soon and I thought of getting it checkout by a indy shop, for finding any potential repairs.

The shop informed me that my "front" left and right differential mounts are leaking.

I am not an enlightened person when it comes to cars, so I came back home and read up what "differential" is. Few internet search later I learned that RWD cars only have rear differential :| .

Can someone enlighten me whether F30 RWD has anything called a "front" differential.
Assuming it is the rear differential that's leaking, it will help if someone can explain to me the importance of repairing this and how long can I delay the repair. Is this something that is covered under CPO warranty?

Just thought of checking in with the forum before I talk to dealership next week. Thanks!
Appreciate 0
      08-20-2021, 06:39 PM   #2
Wgosma
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
806
Rep
1,903
Posts

Drives: 2012 F25 X3 28i (N52)
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Northern Nevada

iTrader: (0)

The FRONT suspension has two sets of fluid-filed rubber bushings - Thrust Arms and Control Arms. Over time and use the rubber housings of these bushings will deteriorate, crack and the fluid fill inside will begin to leak out. At that point the part definitely requires replacement.

My guess is this is what your shop/mechanic is referring to. As you know the car's differential is located at the rear axle, it is filled with a relatively heavy gear oil, the differential case is a multi-piece assembly, the parts are bolted together w/gasket in between....it's possible that a gasket could be leaking a bit of gear oil.

Revisit this issue with you shop for clarification of the issue.
Appreciate 0
      08-20-2021, 06:47 PM   #3
southpaw92
New Member
3
Rep
18
Posts

Drives: 2017 BMW 330i
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Attaching pictures I got from the shop. Hope that helps explain if its rear differential.
Attached Images
  
Appreciate 0
      08-20-2021, 07:15 PM   #4
im_an_alien
Major
im_an_alien's Avatar
1122
Rep
1,494
Posts

Drives: 2016 340i
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Florida/NH

iTrader: (0)

That is definitely the rear diff, and looks like the bushings are shot. PITA to replace..
I think your shop meant the front bushings on your differential
Appreciate 2
      08-20-2021, 07:26 PM   #5
Wgosma
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
806
Rep
1,903
Posts

Drives: 2012 F25 X3 28i (N52)
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Northern Nevada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by im_an_alien View Post
That is definitely the rear diff, and looks like the bushings are shot. PITA to replace..
I think your shop meant the front bushings on your differential
I just looked at the R&R procedure....it's indeed a bit of work, ugh.
Appreciate 0
      08-20-2021, 07:28 PM   #6
southpaw92
New Member
3
Rep
18
Posts

Drives: 2017 BMW 330i
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by im_an_alien View Post
That is definitely the rear diff, and looks like the bushings are shot. PITA to replace..
I think your shop meant the front bushings on your differential
Thanks for confirming! All this at just 23K miles on the car .
Any idea if its covered under CPO warranty?
Appreciate 0
      08-20-2021, 07:30 PM   #7
im_an_alien
Major
im_an_alien's Avatar
1122
Rep
1,494
Posts

Drives: 2016 340i
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Florida/NH

iTrader: (0)

Had no idea those bushings were fluid filled. Since OP is still under CPO best let the dealer handle it, I believe this would be covered...
Appreciate 0
      08-20-2021, 07:33 PM   #8
Wgosma
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
806
Rep
1,903
Posts

Drives: 2012 F25 X3 28i (N52)
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Northern Nevada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by im_an_alien View Post
Had no idea those bushings were fluid filled. Since OP is still under CPO best let the dealer handle it, I believe this would be covered...
…German Engineering🙄
Appreciate 0
      08-21-2021, 04:19 AM   #9
LA1Z24
Captain
356
Rep
763
Posts

Drives: 2014 435i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Long Island

iTrader: (0)

Those rear bushings are fine. The oil dripping from them is leaking out of the pinion seal of the diff. As the pinion spins, it flings the oil outward, hitting the exhaust, and the bushings. 100% a pinion seal leak on that unit.
Appreciate 1
      08-21-2021, 05:29 AM   #10
im_an_alien
Major
im_an_alien's Avatar
1122
Rep
1,494
Posts

Drives: 2016 340i
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Florida/NH

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LA1Z24 View Post
Those rear bushings are fine. The oil dripping from them is leaking out of the pinion seal of the diff. As the pinion spins, it flings the oil outward, hitting the exhaust, and the bushings. 100% a pinion seal leak on that unit.
Wouldn't there be oil residue dripping down on to the diff housing itself? It's bone dry! Even the insert nut and flange doesn't have any residue...
Appreciate 0
      08-21-2021, 08:21 AM   #11
LA1Z24
Captain
356
Rep
763
Posts

Drives: 2014 435i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Long Island

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by im_an_alien View Post
Wouldn't there be oil residue dripping down on to the diff housing itself? It's bone dry! Even the insert nut and flange doesn't have any residue...
It's being slung off before it gets there. It weeps past the seal, hangs out on the pinion flange (not really what it's called on a bmw) and as it rotates it gets slung outwards. Notice the oil is also on the exhaust at the same exact lateral location as the mounts and pinion.
Appreciate 1
njdangelo434.50
      08-21-2021, 12:05 PM   #12
Wgosma
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
806
Rep
1,903
Posts

Drives: 2012 F25 X3 28i (N52)
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Northern Nevada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LA1Z24 View Post
Those rear bushings are fine. The oil dripping from them is leaking out of the pinion seal of the diff. As the pinion spins, it flings the oil outward, hitting the exhaust, and the bushings. 100% a pinion seal leak on that unit.
interesting observation, I think you're likely correct on this. It certainly makes not much sense that with such low mileage those bushings would be shot.
Appreciate 0
      08-21-2021, 12:23 PM   #13
njdangelo
Captain
njdangelo's Avatar
435
Rep
844
Posts

Drives: 2019 x5 50i
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: CT

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LA1Z24 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by im_an_alien View Post
Wouldn't there be oil residue dripping down on to the diff housing itself? It's bone dry! Even the insert nut and flange doesn't have any residue...
It's being slung off before it gets there. It weeps past the seal, hangs out on the pinion flange (not really what it's called on a bmw) and as it rotates it gets slung outwards. Notice the oil is also on the exhaust at the same exact lateral location as the mounts and pinion.
Plus one on this
__________________
2019 x5 50i - current
2016 340i THP stage 2 - gone but not forgotten.
Appreciate 0
      08-21-2021, 12:51 PM   #14
southpaw92
New Member
3
Rep
18
Posts

Drives: 2017 BMW 330i
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LA1Z24 View Post
Those rear bushings are fine. The oil dripping from them is leaking out of the pinion seal of the diff. As the pinion spins, it flings the oil outward, hitting the exhaust, and the bushings. 100% a pinion seal leak on that unit.
Thanks, is pinion seal an extensive repair?
Appreciate 0
      08-21-2021, 02:57 PM   #15
LA1Z24
Captain
356
Rep
763
Posts

Drives: 2014 435i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Long Island

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wgosma View Post
interesting observation, I think you're likely correct on this. It certainly makes not much sense that with such low mileage those bushings would be shot.
I've been a tech for over 20 years...Now I'm not saying it can't happen, but I have never seen a mount, for something like a diff, that is oil filled. Engine mounts yes, others, not so much.
Appreciate 1
Wgosma806.00
      08-23-2021, 07:16 PM   #16
southpaw92
New Member
3
Rep
18
Posts

Drives: 2017 BMW 330i
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LA1Z24 View Post
Those rear bushings are fine. The oil dripping from them is leaking out of the pinion seal of the diff. As the pinion spins, it flings the oil outward, hitting the exhaust, and the bushings. 100% a pinion seal leak on that unit.
Dealer service also diagnosed it to the pinion seal of the diff. Replaced under CPO warranty, no hassles.
Appreciate 0
      08-23-2021, 07:41 PM   #17
im_an_alien
Major
im_an_alien's Avatar
1122
Rep
1,494
Posts

Drives: 2016 340i
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Florida/NH

iTrader: (0)

Glad it's sorted. Now that I think about it, even if it was the differential mounts, what are the odds of both failing at the same damn time? That's what happens when you rush to conclusions....
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:53 PM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST