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      06-26-2013, 06:13 PM   #45
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from what i heard the only thing released was for the 125i. i would highly doubt that BMWUSA would release anything for the _28i models, as that would automatically encroach into the pecking order

keep in mind the 125i is the top-shelf f20, minus the m135i, so the tune makes sense there.
When the PPK was first announced many months ago there was a press release, I want to say I remember mention of more than just the 335 and diesels, that other iterations including the 328 were coming. Not 100% sure.
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I will always love the 6cyl!!

The 4 banger is very good though, Gives the 6 a run for its money
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I was totally planning to order the 435i until the July residuals came out and my projected monthly payment shot up ~ $50/month.

I just noticed that the M-Sport 428i is exactly 5k less than the 435i. The only differences are Anti-Theft Alarm (who cares) and the engine. I can't really imagine the N55 engine is worth $5k (50/month)....

I'm coming from a 128i M Sport, so the 428i is still quite an improvement in torque, 0-60, and a slight HP bump.

Has anyone else been wrestling with this same decision?
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Well, not so much wrestling but initially I considered them both and actually test drove the 328i and 335i since there is no way of test driving a 4 series.

My main concern was the sound of the 4 cylinder engine. When first started, both engines are loud (not in a good way) but once warmed up they sounded very similar under daily driving conditions. The 6 cylinder engine sounds good when you floor it but it wasn't like a constant burb of V8 which would make a difference in most daily driving conditions. So I decided the difference in sound wasn't worth $5000.

Also the 4 cylinder engine is 50 kg lighter (appx 110 pounds) so less weight on the front axle and roughly 10% more fuel efficient. So it looks like the more logical choice but I also understand people choosing the 6 cylinder for better straight-line performance and sound.
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      07-11-2013, 01:06 PM   #49
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I am also interested in leasing so I went to BMW 2 days ago and priced out 428 vs 435 with the same options packages (M-Sport, Lighting package, and on 428 I added HK audio, 10k miles per year). Residual was .62 and the monthly payments according to them was just about $20 diff...? Does this seem right?
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Also the 4 cylinder engine is 50 kg lighter (appx 110 pounds) so less weight on the front axle and roughly 10% more fuel efficient. So it looks like the more logical choice but I also understand people choosing the 6 cylinder for better straight-line performance and sound.
Where is that coming from? I thought it was closer to 5% depending on driving conditions. I think EPA reports something like 1-2mpg overall better for the 328 right?
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I am also interested in leasing so I went to BMW 2 days ago and priced out 428 vs 435 with the same options packages (M-Sport, Lighting package, and on 428 I added HK audio, 10k miles per year). Residual was .62 and the monthly payments according to them was just about $20 diff...? Does this seem right?
With the same exact options the difference between the two (at least w/ M-Sport) is $5k. This should be much more than $20/month since the residuals and MF are the same. (BTW I think the residual for 10k should be 63%.)
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Where is that coming from? I thought it was closer to 5% depending on driving conditions. I think EPA reports something like 1-2mpg overall better for the 328 right?
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html

It is coming from here. In the combined cycle 435xi consumes 7.6 liter where as the 428xi gets 6.7 liter.
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http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html

It is coming from here. In the combined cycle 435xi consumes 7.6 liter where as the 428xi gets 6.7 liter.
Interesting, the 328 and 335 are very close (which is what I was referencing from previously looking at usa specs the 328i and 335i have identical fuel consumption stats for the auto), I wonder if the 4 series would be different for some reason. The bmwusa site has no info on fuel consumption yet, so can't compare unfortunately.
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With the same exact options the difference between the two (at least w/ M-Sport) is $5k. This should be much more than $20/month since the residuals and MF are the same. (BTW I think the residual for 10k should be 63%.)


i thought it would be much more that a $20 diff, not sure what the dealer mightve done and it was literally $20 diff... It'll probably be adjusted into a bigger diff when the car actually arrives.
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My take...the only significant difference between the 35s and 28i is power/torque. The difference in engine sound, NVH, fuel-economy, and standard features between the two are negligible. The 35i does look a lot nicer from behind the dual exhaust, though...

That said, while the 35i is faster, it's still not a fast car. At the end of the day it's a BMW 3-Series, not a purpose-built performance car. If you want a fast car, buy a fast car. Perhaps owning and driving cars approaching 1000 RWHP alters your perception of performance, which is why I'll be ordering a 428i M-Sport.
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      07-12-2013, 12:13 AM   #56
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I went for the 428i but mainly because of the high taxes that should be paid for the 6 cil. First opted for a 420d but in the end prefered the petrol engine instead.
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im looking at the US market. And you actually make my point, there aren't a lot of used F30s around, yet the book values are pretty low already. My 328i with a $46K MSRP is worth @ $33k in less than a year. That is the most I've ever lost on a car in 1 year of depreciation and this is my 3rd BMW and 5th BMW product. I can only imagine what the depreciation will be at the end of the life cycle.
Yea thats a bit rough according to MACRS 7-year depreciation your car should have a book value of $34,500. just my 2 cents
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      07-12-2013, 02:24 AM   #58
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I test drove both the F30 335i and 328i a few weeks ago at the BMW ultimate drive event. 335 first and 328 second, the 328 was impressive you feel the torque and the car is quick but the 335 was not just quick but faster it's definitely worth the money in my opinion. 0-60 does make a big difference because it's where the fun happens, it's not everything but it's a great benchmark. I've had the opportunity to drive quite a few cars and I can definitely feel the difference between a 5.0 car and a 5.7 sec. When I drove the 335 I was much more confident switching lanes dipping in traffic. You could still have fun in a 328 don't get me wrong speed is not the sole thing that makes up a cars performance which is why Scion Fr's(Toyota GT86) are so popular.

On a side note I test drove a Porsche Cayman about a month ago and it felt GREAT one of the best cars I've ever driven but after a few starts from 0-50ish I could feel a lack in acceleration (0-60=5.4).

Also consider the fact that about $1000 in mods can make the N55 really fast

FYI- Were all discussing the n55 and n20 in the 4 door sedan. The 4 series has perfect 50-50 distribution and a much lower center of gravity not to mention 2 less doors so you might want to wait for the car to actually come out and test drive it instead of basing your opinion on F30 sedan.

My pick: get the 435i you only live once
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easy to figure out.....
Do you care about gas mileage ever? If you don't and prefer to play around with more power go 335. If you care about mileage and lower expense more than extra power go 328i.

For me it was - lower cost to buy, lower cost to insure, lower cost to operate.

328i w bms was the right decision for my life right now - every pump visit I see 500 to 590 miles per tank, for some reason that makes me smile now more that the power i had before.

*I will say the radio is on much more now than ever before, I love the sound of a great engine, the N20 may be a great engine but it doesn't sound like it.
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My pick: get the 435i you only live once
So true. Financially it's pretty hard to justify the extra cost just for the N55, but my heart says that I will be disappointed if I don't do it. 435i M sport 6MT is just too perfect to bail on in the 11th hour to save a few bucks. I think I'm sold

Thanks for all of the opinions!
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0-60 does make a big difference because it's where the fun happens, it's not everything but it's a great benchmark. I've had the opportunity to drive quite a few cars and I can definitely feel the difference between a 5.0 car and a 5.7 sec. When I drove the 335 I was much more confident switching lanes dipping in traffic. You could still have fun in a 328 don't get me wrong speed is not the sole thing that makes up a cars performance which is why Scion Fr's(Toyota GT86) are so popular.

On a side note I test drove a Porsche Cayman about a month ago and it felt GREAT one of the best cars I've ever driven but after a few starts from 0-50ish I could feel a lack in acceleration (0-60=5.4).
0-60 MPH is actually the most useless accessleration statistic reported. How often does anyone do a full blown standing-start launch in their car, then stop accelerating at 60? 0-60 is purely a function of 1st gear traction. 1st gear also happens to be the one you least often drive in, so how is that indicative of anything real-world? It has been a long standing benchmark of "performance," but then again...so has the old wive's tale of needing to change your oil every 3,000 miles. It's even more meaningless when you get into high-end cars.

More telling real-world acceleration statistics are like 5-60 MPH, 40-70 MPH,60-130 MPH, 1/4-mile trap speed, 1/8-mile trap speed and 1/4-mile trap speed delta, 1-mile speed, etc. These figures paint a better picture of how the car actually accelerates and powerband characteristics...not just launch.
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So true. Financially it's pretty hard to justify the extra cost just for the N55, but my heart says that I will be disappointed if I don't do it. 435i M sport 6MT is just too perfect to bail on in the 11th hour to save a few bucks. I think I'm sold

Thanks for all of the opinions!

very true, coming from a 335i owner....but saving $50 per month + gas $$$ does add up. I'm still debating between the 2. Need to decide quick as my lease is ending in August!
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0-60 MPH is actually the most useless accessleration statistic reported. How often does anyone do a full blown standing-start launch in their car, then stop accelerating at 60? 0-60 is purely a function of 1st gear traction. 1st gear also happens to be the one you least often drive in, so how is that indicative of anything real-world? It has been a long standing benchmark of "performance," but then again...so has the old wive's tale of needing to change your oil every 3,000 miles. It's even more meaningless when you get into high-end cars.

More telling real-world acceleration statistics are like 5-60 MPH, 40-70 MPH,60-130 MPH, 1/4-mile trap speed, 1/8-mile trap speed and 1/4-mile trap speed delta, 1-mile speed, etc. These figures paint a better picture of how the car actually accelerates and powerband characteristics...not just launch.
I do a lot of full blown starts in my car but not all the way to 60 more like 40-50 mph then I cruise. I think 0-50, 5-60, 40-70 would actually be a better benchmark than 0-60, 1/4 mile times and trap speed are significant as well but 0-60 times are easily available for just about every car out there which is why they are used so often when comparing cars
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I do a lot of full blown starts in my car but not all the way to 60 more like 40-50 mph then I cruise.
Are you 16?
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Are you 16?
Nope but i drive with more spirit than your average american driver and I'm not talking about foot to the throttle acceleration I shift gears at about 3000 rpms until I get to 4th then let the car cruise. Unless I'm doing a test drive then I might red line out of first and/or second to get a feel for the car.
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I am getting a 428i coupe not too many options on a 3 year lease and then jumping ship to an M4.

Stepping up from a 428i minor options to a M4 full option will feel much more different/rewarding than a 435i (same engine apparently)

Plus I'll save some money to the M4 fund
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