[teaston]

Finally one of the major news outlets talks sense about diesels, and the fact that they are NOT the devil in disguise, and the way motorists are being punished for buying them when asked to.

“The deliberate pushing of households into a particular type of car - the second-largest spending commitment households make - and then punishing them for it later represents one of the worst frauds the British government has perpetrated on the public in recent times.”

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views...-jobs-11604101

Hopefully this is the beginning of the tide turning back in the right direction, and stopping the demonising of diesel cars, which emit less Co2, and in many cases less particulates than their petrol counterparts!

[Broncho]

2nd largest spending commitment households make........

Bullshit, I spend about twice as much per month on red wine than I do my car.

[R330dx]

Reassuring for anyone that’s just bought a diesel rather than eco friendly petrols and electrics

[Pequin]

Originally Posted by Broncho

2nd largest spending commitment households make........

Bullshit, I spend about twice as much per month on red wine than I do my car.

That’s the way to do it

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by teaston

Finally one of the major news outlets talks sense about diesels, and the fact that they are NOT the devil in disguise, and the way motorists are being punished for buying them when asked to.

“The deliberate pushing of households into a particular type of car - the second-largest spending commitment households make - and then punishing them for it later represents one of the worst frauds the British government has perpetrated on the public in recent times.”

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views...-jobs-11604101

Hopefully this is the beginning of the tide turning back in the right direction, and stopping the demonising of diesel cars, which emit less Co2, and in many cases less particulates than their petrol counterparts!

These sorts of articles have been around for a while. Few and far between, and until politicians start giving official reassurances on News at Ten, this sort of stuff is going to make very little difference.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

These sorts of articles have been around for a while. Few and far between, and until politicians start giving official reassurances on News at Ten, this sort of stuff is going to make very little difference.

Have any of the major news outlets produced damning reports like this before? I haven’t seen any.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-drivers.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...fall-30pc-one/

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content...-the-car-buyer

There are literally hundreds of reports and the general message that the government have unfairly fucked this up for the public and manufacturing has been around for quite some time. On larger sites and smaller sites.

I doubt one report on Sky News is going to make much difference. But, if you want to believe it will that's your prerogative, and even if I don't agree, it'd be good if you were right in this case.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-drivers.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...fall-30pc-one/

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content...-the-car-buyer

There are literally hundreds of reports and the general message that the government have unfairly fucked this up for the public and manufacturing has been around for quite some time. On larger sites and smaller sites.

I doubt one report on Sky News is going to make much difference. But, if you want to believe it will that's your prerogative, and even if I don't agree, it'd be good if you were right in this case.

Ah ok, i must have missed those stories a year ago. Hopefully they gain more traction this time!

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

The job losses at JLR and union pressure is more likely to get them thinking about the message. But, even then, it's hard to backtrack when you've sent out clear messages and put legislation in place.

We'll see.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

The job losses at JLR and union pressure is more likely to get them thinking about the message. But, even then, it's hard to backtrack when you've sent out clear messages and put legislation in place.

We'll see.

I don't know what's happened to that new Bosch diesel emissions filter system, hopefully that will be market ready soon!

[HighlandPete]

Problem is trust has been lost. Government policy, diesel-gate and the way the NEDC test regime was 'gamed' by many companies to fudge the real mpg and therefore CO2 figures/targets.

Some of the CO2 'statements' are also so far way out of reality, even diesel's so called 'lower ratings' have not been reflected in the real world. Figures banded about on the savings due to diesel, were not correct either, CO2 hasn't dropped the way fleet figures say they should have fallen. That is smoke and mirrors as well. The elephant in the room.

Petrol is no saviour either, DI petrol engines have their own issues. Particulate filters are partly addressing that problem, but how many existing petrol engines are so equipped?

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by teaston

I don't know what's happened to that new Bosch diesel emissions filter system, hopefully that will be market ready soon!

Read the small print... there is nothing really new from my reading, more improvements based on existing knowledge and technology.

The cynic in me says, if they know how to improve emissions with better technology application, why didn't they do it pre diesel-gate?

More interested in how the Loughborough University NOx break-through is progressing. Projects like that usually take years to get to the market place.

[Kal101]

The government will generally feed the populous what the government wants them to believe and usually they won’t let facts or reality get in the way.

How eco are electric cars when you look at their total life cycle especially the early batteries.

I’m sticking with my 335xd for now.

[SkyJawa]

And we all know how environmentally friendly batteries are!

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by Kal101

The government will generally feed the populous what the government wants them to believe and usually they won't let facts or reality get in the way.

Indeed they will, and have done since time immemorial

Telling us that diesel is the devils fuel also helps the govt to justify the hike in the price of diesel over petrol

The govt doesn't give a rats arse about the environment and the impact of burning fossil fuels on our health - there are barely any votes in it, that's why. Look at the rationale behind our latest road tax - environmental impact doesn't get much of a look in, beyond the initial purchase.

The politics of the environment are a bit different in Germany and in the Netherlands for example, where it's much more of a vote winner/loser, and they have proportional representation of course

I can't imagine that Michael Gove loses much sleep over the health-destroying levels of NOx and particulates in our major cities. He's a self-serving career politician par excellence, just like the rest of the cabinet

[Alice Coupe]

All I’ll say on this is 18 months into my 3 year PCP, BMW called to offer me 20k for my car. GFV was £22.5k According to WBAC at the time, the value was £21k.

Today, another 18 months later WBAC values it at £19.5k. That depreciation has hit the brakes somewhat.

[agentorange]

Dieselgate has pretty much killed the market here in the US. That's insane given the distances we have to travel by road from the MidWest to the Pacific.

Right now all the BMW diesels (new and used) in the dealers are in lockdown due to the EGR recall. I'm hoping to score a well optioned X3d I've spotted for my wife when they are released.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by agentorange

Dieselgate has pretty much killed the market here in the US. That's insane given the distances we have to travel by road from the MidWest to the Pacific.

Right now all the BMW diesels (new and used) in the dealers are in lockdown due to the EGR recall. I'm hoping to score a well optioned X3d I've spotted for my wife when they are released.

But gasoline is so cheap over there if I lived in the US I wouldn't have a diesel!

[Jeff123]

I would, they are better to drive IMO.

[agentorange]

Originally Posted by teaston

But gasoline is so cheap over there if I lived in the US I wouldn't have a diesel!

If you drive a BMW F30 or F10, that mostly works. However, the US market is in pickups and SUVs. They get half the mileage on the road compared to a BMW saloon (sedan for my US readers) if you are lucky.

When gasoline spiked to over $4/gallon last time the wailing and gnashing of teeth was epic. Americans don't expect personal travel in their vehicle to be a noticeable expense. When it is they go crazy because nearly all of them max out their pay every week/month. A spike in fuel cost just kills them. If you try and educate them into driving less by consolidating journeys and using the cruise control at all times you might as well be speaking a dead dialect of Klingon.

Coming from the UK I have a somewhat eye rolling attitude towards the bitching. I can usually shut down a debate by saying, "I'm from Europe. When gas gets expensive, I'll let you know". I try to make sure I have an open door to my back before saying it though...

[Alice Coupe]

Originally Posted by Alice Coupe

All I’ll say on this is 18 months into my 3 year PCP, BMW called to offer me 20k for my car. GFV was £22.5k According to WBAC at the time, the value was £21k.

Today, another 18 months later WBAC values it at £19.5k. That depreciation has hit the brakes somewhat.

And some interesting second hand diesel figures reported here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46823729