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Can you elaborate on this engine's failing point?
"If this test was E90 335 vs F30 335, it would be an even better head to head-they would not try and make it about the engine which is largely a failing point." Wards to 10 Engines 2013: 3.0L N55 Turbocharged DOHC I-6 Kevin Quote:
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They chose the right car but I think this is a case of the E90 328i biting off more than it can chew. They chose a rock star to compare against a car on its way to the history books. They can come up with whatever logic they want but the F30 328i is light years ahead of the E90 328i. Look at the reviews from all auto mags, it's come on top in every one of them, over and above winning engine of the year awards, being included in wards 10 best engines etc. They chose the right car but their conclusions are questionable given the status for the F30 328i
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Unless I missed something, I think that was the very point of J's post.
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Under the same driving conditions and gas, I am not seeing big difference between the N20 and N55.
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At least that's how I read it. |
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07-05-2013, 03:59 PM | #30 | |
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The N55 is now a no-brainer if you were used to BMW's world. The 4 cylinder is a MAJOR problem with the F30 |
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The car was larger, faster and showed a near 10% improvement in THEIR driving. Some car makers would kill for a 10% improvement. And with the larger size, more equipment, the F30 was 26lbs heavier...26lbs. The ER90 had 16" wheels. Just having 18" runflats and wheels would negate a single pound difference between the two. That is progress. It also did not show braking, slalom etc, a place where other F30 328's have shown .90-.91g and 109ft from 0 even with modern low rolling resistance summer tires. Quote:
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When trying to get the best fuel economy, I had an 8spd auto N55 for a week and was able to get 35.5mpg on my mixed loop to work. Same time my 6mt N20 did 39.9mpg. Now a 6mt N55 would have been a bit worse, maybe 33mpg. Now had I started really hammering both cars, the gap would have shrunk. I think that is pretty fair and impartial. Something more like that-I clarified in the reply above.
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I'm wondering if the next incarnation of the 3 series will have a 6 cylinder version at all (perhaps only the M3) and even the 335i might be a 4 cylinder. I doubt it's a decision they took lightly given BMW's reputation for making sweet 6 cylinder engines, but it's a sign of the times. |
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07-05-2013, 04:10 PM | #33 | |
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The sound of the N20 is not satisfying. Aside from a cold idle and outside the car where it sounds like a diesel, it has a LACK of sound. An exhaust and intake helps tons, but it will never sound like an I6. Meanwhile, whether the E46 325 like you describe or the last E90s, they sounded great-so smooth, so sexy. But guess what. Slow is slow. My wife who insists on tunes, intakes and exhausts on her cars, she called them out as too slow for her. Do you know how futile it is to spend $1500-2k on a, normally aspirated BMW like that to get an exhaust/intake and tune to get maybe 10-15whp and finally maybe break 200whp/200tq and still be a slow car? The N20 out of the box makes 235-245whp and 240-260ft lbs of tq and at LOW rpm. That is night and day. And $800 on exhaust, $400 on downpipe and a $400 tune, that same money you spent on the NA car, I have 300whp/300+tq, we are talking high 12's@106+mph and 0-60 in about 4.5. You needed the N54/N55 to get there where the N52 needed a $5k blower to do what the N20 just did. That is great news. So you can be in the camp that hates it for its sound. Or the camp that loves it for shrinking the gap between the 335 and 328. Go drive an E90 328 and 335 back to back-just floor it from 0-120. Then get into an F30 328 and 335 and do the same thing and wear sound proof ear muffs. That performance the N20 brings is quite a difference.
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Is is called the A4 3.0T 272HP. http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759114 http://www.audi.com.mx/etc/medialib/..._3_0_272hp.pdf Kudos to Mercedes for still offering the C300. |
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The MB C-class went to a small turbo 4, the ATS is there, the A4 as you noted. And guess what, the 3 series joined them and is faster than all and often equals their 6's performance with better fuel economy. So the BMW 328 has the best drivetrain in it's class. I think that's cool. But only when you come on here do you see people really poo-poo it.
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I don't think that it "sucks", but it certainly got Lexus-ized in the process and needs more money to get it right. The N55 is now a MUST. The hardest thing to fix is the steering. 2014 5-series just got an improvement on that regard.... hopefully the F30 will get better like the 2001 E46, only 2 years after its introduction.
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I honestly do not under stand this obsession with cylinders. This idea that 4 cylinder equals cheap completely boggles my mind. The biggest reason it makes me scratch my head is this idea that a 6 cylinder is a premium engine.
I mean I have always grown up that if it isn't an V8 then it isn't worth notice, so this 6 cylinder snobbery is really funny. SO, I would think if people are up in arms about a 328i with a turbo 4 then they would be completely disinterested in the upcoming M3 and M4 with their turbo 6s especially since the E90s M3 came with a high revving N/A V8. People have no consistency. |
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Seems to me that if they would have just added the N20 to the E90 328i then it would have been perfect recipe.
Look at the numbers, the N20 is way faster than the N52 and gets much better gas mileage. However, the F30 got fat and electronic steering which ruined it IMO (at least from loaner car I got)
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Well said..4 bangers will never come close to an I6
I will never pay over $45k for a 4 cylinder car....4 bangers are for japanese cars Its sad to see BMW following the trend of other automakers |
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Not all V8s are naturally harmoinically balanced either (depends on the V angle), but as you go up in cylinders the problem reduces due to more rapid firing of cylinders at the same RPM. That's what makes a 6 cylinder such a sweet engine. EDIT: Sorry - should have clarified that this is *straight* 6 not V6. V6 depending on the V angle will also have primary or secondary vibrations that are not naturally balanced out. |
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