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interested to hear how you'll like it. i see KW updated the US site to show the DDC coils online.
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They also make what you are referencing, which can be installed for vehicles without an existing EDC system. It adds additional KW controllers. http://www.kwsuspensions.com/ddc
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yup. eleven11 broke it down perfectly. I've been eyeing the KW DDC coils for a bit as I read someone from the UK I believe who put it on his 1 series.
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Our cars comes with adaptive dampeners, which should change on variables like steering angle, speed, etc. I wonder if the KW kit uses the adaptiveness or just has static preset modes. Heres the screen shot that made me think otherwise.
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The information out there is vague, but I came away with the understanding that the KW Plug & Play system communicates with the BMW sensors in real-time (not just static), like the OEM system. I'm not sure if adding the non-Plug & Play DDC system to a vehicle is anything beyond a static setting.
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A good way to test, if you have the opportunity to, is to make a sweeping left/right turn w/ a small bump or road imperfection, and test the feel at slow speeds and high speeds on sport setting. If it is in fact adaptive, it should feel dampened at slower speed and a bit harsh and non compliant at higher speeds. I know KW is a great product, as the hundreds of thousands of previous BMW owners would attest, but it would not make sense do develop an entirely new dampener just for F3x EDC folks, and offer another DDC model for non-EDC BMWs. It would make more sense to adapt the same product for the entire chassis offerings, and revalve & spring for different chassis. I think this is why Bilstein is taking forever also, maybe in their best interest to just adapt an existing product from Porsche or other VAG offerings to the F3x EDC cars, as the market isnt that big compared to F80 and other M-markets.
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The EDC system is supposed to kick in above 30km/h (20mph give or take), and I think i feel a difference below and above 30kmh on the same bumpy road where it's better above, but who knows.
My view is, since bmw system are going to feed realtime data anyway, i don't see why they wouldn't use those to adjust dampers in realtime too, but that's obviously no proof.
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Without question. However, what we're talking about isn't the obvious fixed changes that occur between modes, but the realtime adaptations the system makes multiple times per second (depending on your driving conditions). We're not 100% if the KW Plug & Play DDC coilovers do this (like the OEM system), or if they're simply a fixed dampening for each mode.
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I've personally owned several (semi-affordable) performance cars. Many were bought with modified suspensions, others I modified them for my personal taste. None of the mentioned cars had any form of adaptive suspension from the factory.
Currently, I have a 2015 335i M-sport with adaptive suspension and a 2018 Porsche 718 Cayman with PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management). I would personally recommend against modifying an OEM adaptive style suspension. I would consider aftermarket springs, anti-roll bars, maybe even camber plates for OEM adaptive suspensions. But I can't imagine an aftermarket company (even reputable companies such as Dinan, Bilstein, etc...) making a better (think OEM R&D dollars vs aftermarket R&D dollars) adaptive shock absorber than OEM. That being said, if your car doesn't have OEM adaptive suspension and are looking to upgrade into one, then aftermarket adaptive style suspension makes complete sense. That being said, I am considering lowering springs for my adaptive suspension. I also like the idea of Dinans ECU tuning management for BMW's adaptive suspension. Obviously, this is just my opinion... |
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My position is aftermarket active dampers are just like any other aftermarket part. The aftermarket manufacturer can use higher quality components and focus the design to a narrower performance window than OEM. Of course this isn't a given so buyer beware, but to me it's just silly to section off active dampers as the one OEM part that can't be bettered by the aftermarket.
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The modern OEM dampers from several manufacturers have become so good, it's difficult to see or feel any real world noticeable gains from the aftermarket. Admittedly, my comment doesn't have real validity, simply because my experience with aftermarket active dampers is limited (I've driven 3-4 cars), but my experience with driving different cars with OEM active dampers is extensive. |
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https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...light=adaptive But I do think Bilstein would be the closest to OEM engineering, since they are OEM for BMW and Porsche's adaptive products, and know how the systems works intimately, all the way to BMW's control models/logic etc... Quote:
The system is adaptive, as it gets even harder/softer dampening when the car is moving at certain speeds, steering angle, gas/brake input....
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Bottomline is there a EDC coil over setup for my 2k15 Xdrive 335 without the EDC having to be deleted that will work with the factory EDC?
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KW Plug n Play. You'll need to chat with their CS and have them confirm the PN though as there's even some confusion on their end (can't fully trust the web site).
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OK Thank you! I really want something plug and play regardless since I want to stick with this car and not buy an F80. Plan on buying an aftermarket single turbo kit and i need suspension to match. Hopefully keeps me in the price range vs buying an F80 with the advantage of having AWD.
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While we're on this, I find my KW DDC a bit too hard at slow speed on streets, what would you guys recommend I do?
Softer and higher springs on KW dampers, or put back stock EDC dampers with firmer springs (Eibach pro kit for AH3?)?
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Switch to 18" wheels and tyres - more sidewall does wonders for low speed ride and allows you to "tune" it somewhat by varying 18" tyre pressures.
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