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      01-16-2020, 05:52 PM   #309
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You can get a used motor with well under 50k on it and revised timing chains for under $4k shipped. Dime a dozen.

Plus $1500 install.

Your at $5500 back on the road. Your guy wants $8300. You need a new guy or stay away from the truth that you find on this forum.

I would not pay more than $6500 tops. And thats a bit high.

Depending on your financial situation it could be silly to start over for this kind of money. You'll end up in a go kart unless you are willing to take a bath. Happens all the time to a lot of people, wouldnt be the end of the world.

Just trying to help point out some options before you make a decision. Keep us posted on what you do...

As for the lawsuit, Im interested to hear the answer to your question also. Hope someone who knows chimes in.
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      01-16-2020, 10:39 PM   #310
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Was the time chain issue effectively solved on most recent models years N20, such as 2015 and up?
What are the differences?
Was the plastic material modified to get more oil & temperature resistance?
I wonder if the number of cases on models after 2015 has significantly reduced giving me assurance to buy a 2016 CPO?
Any thoughts?
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      01-16-2020, 10:47 PM   #311
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Was the time chain issue effectively solved on most recent models years N20, such as 2015 and up?
What are the differences?
Was the plastic material modified to get more oil & temperature resistance?
I wonder if the number of cases on models after 2015 has significantly reduced giving me assurance to buy a 2016 CPO?
Any thoughts?
READ, READ, READ....seriously, u r posting a question on perhaps the most extensive thread specific to the question u r asking. Start on Pg 1 and engage in some basic due diligence on info already provided on this thread, not to mention many other threads on this forum.
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      01-16-2020, 11:31 PM   #312
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I saw in a different thread that sludge and the Start/Stop are the main culprit - warming ur car up, 5000-6000 mile oil changes, and coding out or keeping Start/Stop are going to be the biggest helps you can do prior to warning signs.
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      01-16-2020, 11:31 PM   #313
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READ, READ, READ....seriously, u r posting a question on perhaps the most extensive thread specific to the question u r asking. Start on Pg 1 and engage in some basic due diligence on info already provided on this thread, not to mention many other threads on this forum.
You are being inconvenient and rude. I already read and didn’t find. This is the reason I asked. In fact that’s why I don’t have as many posts here. Tell me where it is mentioned what changed on the plastic rails? Tell me where 2015 are significantly lower number of cases.
If you are really a smart ass, then provide links as many do around here.
In my view, if you have nothing to answer, beyond telling someone to read, then you better ignore the others post.
The search engine here is not the best.
Go mind your business!

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Was the time chain issue effectively solved on most recent models years N20, such as 2015 and up?
What are the differences?
Was the plastic material modified to get more oil & temperature resistance?
I wonder if the number of cases on models after 2015 has significantly reduced giving me assurance to buy a 2016 CPO?
Any thoughts?
Built dates of 03/2015 and newer will have the updated parts.
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So there is actually more of a chance to get more hp out of a 330 then a 335 in my opinion
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      01-17-2020, 08:20 AM   #315
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Built dates of 03/2015 and newer will have the updated parts.
Yes! I know that. My question is if the new parts constitute an effective solution.
From 2015 the issue dropped significantly to none?
Does anybody know what changed in the plastic rails for the time chain?
Funny is that another guy told me to read, like the answer was obvious.
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Plus $1500 install.

It's a 20+ hour job + fluids + gaskets. $1500 install is probably a little light.
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It was tricky to find, the case number is 2:2017cv07386

It is the case being held in NJ. GELIS vs BAYERISCHE MOTOREN WERKE
Just saw this, but found the case. I'm able to download all of the actual court documents (original compliant, summons, orders, etc.) if anyone would like. They're big files so I'll need to figure out how to link them...

Just let me know.
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I saw in a different thread that sludge and the Start/Stop are the main culprit - warming ur car up, 5000-6000 mile oil changes, and coding out or keeping Start/Stop are going to be the biggest helps you can do prior to warning signs.
This is all just speculation on the forums. There are some who posted saying they did 5-6 OCIs and didn't use start/stop, yet their timing chains whined/failed. No one knows for sure what caused the old parts to fail and what changed in the new parts. That is the bottom line despite hundreds of posts on this topic. It is a coin toss...if your engine exhibits the whine, get it addressed. If it doesn't, keep on driving on.
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Yes! I know that. My question is if the new parts constitute an effective solution.
From 2015 the issue dropped significantly to none?
Does anybody know what changed in the plastic rails for the time chain?
Funny is that another guy told me to read, like the answer was obvious.
The chain is a different design. Pictures are out there of old vs. new. The problem does not exist after the redesign.
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If your timing chain fails while driving, is braking ability affected? If I'm going 70mph am I going to be able to stop...
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If your timing chain fails while driving, is braking ability affected? If I'm going 70mph am I going to be able to stop...
Sure you can brake. Your engine however is toasted, trashed!
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Man everyday Iím beating myself with a drum about my engine getting hydrolocked AFTER getting the dealer doing this job for me. Before my warranties expire Iíll spend the $2k and have an indy do the job on my replacement engine (assuming it was built prior to 03/2015).

And still donít have my car back. Maybe another week or two
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Plus $1500 install.

It's a 20+ hour job + fluids + gaskets. $1500 install is probably a little light.
Its not a 20hr job by a good BMW tech. Its a 10hr job at the dealer. Book time vs. actual time spent are definitely two different things.

According to bmwtechnician.com "a tech has one day to complete the job with any hopes of making any money."

You could still be correct on $1500 being a hair light all inclusive... my original estimate (above) was under $2k. That should really do it if its a fair deal in my honest opinion.
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My experience

I see there are some questions still, this sums up my experience since April '19

My car failed at highway speed, approximately 80 mph. It felt like I hit a pot hole and then it became Christmas inside of the car with every warning message you can think of. The engine immediately turned off and went the car went into neutral. The hazard lights came on as well, not too sure why it did that, perhaps it triggered some type of accident protocol.

I was able to coast across four lanes to the shoulder while losing speed. If anyone is in the philly area you know how fun that is on the blue route! The brakes still worked but without any power assist, same as the steering. When I came to a stop the car went into park automatically. It would not even attempt to turn over if you pressed the start button. A note to that as well, you can not get the car out of park without the engine running unless you crawl underneath and screw a pin up into the transmission! The dealer has the car and wants 18k to replace the engine. It has been sitting at the dealer since 4/19 because I refuse to have it repaired until this case is settled.

Changed my oil every 7.5k-ish miles, basically twice a year. Used only premium fuel and turned off the start/stop the day I got it. Just hit 102k miles when it happened. No warning, no sounds, just instant death.

You can access the court documents on the over system using the case listed above. There is a .10 charge per page that you access. I listed the main complaint which has all of the case information regarding the case. You can get it here for free...

www.sjbender.com/bmw.pdf

I follow the case super close. Once the settlement is posted I will share it everywhere!
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I see there are some questions still, this sums up my experience since April '19

My car failed at highway speed, approximately 80 mph. It felt like I hit a pot hole and then it became Christmas inside of the car with every warning message you can think of. The engine immediately turned off and went the car went into neutral. The hazard lights came on as well, not too sure why it did that, perhaps it triggered some type of accident protocol.

I was able to coast across four lanes to the shoulder while losing speed. If anyone is in the philly area you know how fun that is on the blue route! The brakes still worked but without any power assist, same as the steering. When I came to a stop the car went into park automatically. It would not even attempt to turn over if you pressed the start button. A note to that as well, you can not get the car out of park without the engine running unless you crawl underneath and screw a pin up into the transmission! The dealer has the car and wants 18k to replace the engine. It has been sitting at the dealer since 4/19 because I refuse to have it repaired until this case is settled.

Changed my oil every 7.5k-ish miles, basically twice a year. Used only premium fuel and turned off the start/stop the day I got it. Just hit 102k miles when it happened. No warning, no sounds, just instant death.

You can access the court documents on the over system using the case listed above. There is a .10 charge per page that you access. I listed the main complaint which has all of the case information regarding the case. You can get it here for free...

www.sjbender.com/bmw.pdf

I follow the case super close. Once the settlement is posted I will share it everywhere!
You were under risk of life. It sounds dramatic, but this problem can leave a car stuck in a busy and fast highway, a semi in the tail, and an entire family inside. I'm not sure how many N20 were produced with this shameful issue and what failure rate we have in the field, but there are enough cases that justified BMW to do a palliative "work around" in 2015, and a total engine replacement in 2017... BMW could not wait for the G20 launch to replace the infamous N20 on 3 Series.
Nowadays, the only thing the media say is the Tesla sudden acceleration, 127 cases on 500,000 produced. I still have my doubts about these sudden accelerations, but this is the issue we see on national TV.
It would be great if this BMW N20 history surfaced on TV, in the evening news, revealing the way they are treating customers, the lack of responsibility with thousands of people, exposing them to major financial penalties and even risk of life. I feel like driving a time bomb.
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You were under risk of life. It sounds dramatic, but this problem can leave a car stuck in a busy and fast highway, a semi in the tail, and an entire family inside. I'm not sure how many N20 were produced with this shameful issue and what failure rate we have in the field, but there are enough cases that justified BMW to do a palliative "work around" in 2015, and a total engine replacement in 2017... BMW could not wait for the G20 launch to replace the infamous N20 on 3 Series.
Nowadays, the only thing the media say is the Tesla sudden acceleration, 127 cases on 500,000 produced. I still have my doubts about these sudden accelerations, but this is the issue we see on national TV.
It would be great if this BMW N20 history surfaced on TV, in the evening news, revealing the way they are treating customers, the lack of responsibility with thousands of people, exposing them to major financial penalties and even risk of life. I feel like driving a time bomb.
I agree this needs far more attention. People need to file appropriate government reports at both the Federal and State level.
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Sj you were stock or tuned?
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SJ. Which dealer?

I’m in Chester County and use BNW of Reading. Much better to work with compared to Otto’s on 202.

I actually asked my SA in Reading about this, and she told me she’s had pretty good luck working with BMW USA in NJ
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Stock. I would not modify a primary car. That's what the 2001 E46 is for!

Union Park, Wilmington, DE

If you have an issue be sure to submit it to the NHTSA...

https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2012/BMW/528I
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Stock. I would not modify a primary car. That's what the 2001 E46 is for!
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