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      01-15-2019, 09:25 PM   #1453
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I donít know what it is but I just find him annoying.
He elicits the same automatic response from my brain too
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      01-15-2019, 10:46 PM   #1454
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Honestly I have a hard time wrapping my head around people on a BMW forum speaking poorly about Toyota using parts supplied from BMW.
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I will say I like the car for what it is... it's effectively a compact Z4 and a light one at that.

The mistake here is giving it the Supra badge... at this point and time; a Supra should be a GTR class car... this is almost like a more powerful FRS. This is a BMW with a Toyota badge.... I am just not sure who Toyota's market for this car will be.
I actually wish this were a branded BMW with the full 382hp. I guess BMW tried to save money by partnering and Toyota did itís best to chinch out by only providing trunk, hood and airbag Toyota badges.
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      01-15-2019, 10:50 PM   #1456
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Honestly I have a hard time wrapping my head around people on a BMW forum speaking poorly about Toyota using parts supplied from BMW.
Actually, Iíd like it better if it were a badged BMW. What Iím disappointed in is that I guess I was expecting Toyota to do something unique with the underpinnings and they essentially did nothing....thatís what Iím irritated by. Itís like they couldnít be bothered and the want to charge you $50k for it. If it were BMW, Iíd consider paying $60k as weird as that seems.
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Surprising how light it is with all the tech and safety equipment that's required. Not sure if this is lighter or heavier than the Z4 and what the 0-60 is on that? The MZ40i has more power. We will have to wait for the MZ4 with S55 or S58, that will be the track monster everyone is waiting for, no one will even pay attention to the Supra when that lands.
Donít forget that the extra weight in the Z4 probably has to do with extra metal used to protect the occupants since itís a convertible and try to stiffen the chassis since thereís no top.
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Step 1: Release new Supra
Step 2: Price it within spitting distance of M2C
Step 3: ???
Step 4: M2 lives on another generation as a manual due to strong sales after release of new Supra
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Step 1: Release new Supra
Step 2: Price it within spitting distance of M2C
Step 3: ???
Step 4: M2 lives on another generation as a manual due to strong sales after release of new Supra
Considering you can get a used M2 in the very low $40ks, why would you just do that?
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      01-15-2019, 10:58 PM   #1460
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Considering you can get a used M2 in the very low $40ks, why would you just do that?
M2C has the nicer engine. Maybe get a refurbished one in a few months, though I don't see many people unloading these soon unless they're leasing and want the next best thing so they pay off the lease ( or let you just takeover the rest of the lease)
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      01-15-2019, 11:24 PM   #1461
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I can't get past the fact that it just looks like an FRS based kit car to me. It's narrow, short wheelbase, and tall. This is so different from the FT-1 concept it's like watching a burger king commercial and then getting the same food in real life. Deflated and lacking the appeal it should have had. Toyota really can't get away from that new Lexus styling and it's exhausting. If you would have told me this was a new LC model, I'd have believed it. Even telling me it was a redesigned FRS I'd believe that. Either of those over the 'mkv supra'
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Surprising how light it is with all the tech and safety equipment that's required. Not sure if this is lighter or heavier than the Z4 and what the 0-60 is on that? The MZ40i has more power. We will have to wait for the MZ4 with S55 or S58, that will be the track monster everyone is waiting for, no one will even pay attention to the Supra when that lands.
Don’t forget that the extra weight in the Z4 probably has to do with extra metal used to protect the occupants since it’s a convertible and try to stiffen the chassis since there’s no top.
Yeah, 1,100 extra pounds over a 5 Star rated ND Miata should net you something.
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Hope all the internet hate transfers to sales, so they are offered at a discount. But I have a feeling that won't happen, reviewers are going to like the car. I see Chris Harris doing skids already.
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      01-16-2019, 09:31 AM   #1465
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Why, because they own a 30 year old car that is way overrated?

I have no idea if this car is going to be good, but the Supra was not that great and the 2JZ is also way overrated.

There is no room in the automotive industry to produce a "legend" like that anyway. They have optimized every bit of the process, so engineers can't sneak in goodies.
Because they like me own a car that is only appreciating in value and this travesty soon to be a flop will not hurt my cars value in any way.

Supra was not only great but the greatest cat of its generation and no engine comes close to the earned legendary status of the 2j. Especially hilarious not so great and overrated coming form a bmw owner of all people.

Sure there is room, if there was not the LFA Hellcat Raptor ex would have never been made.
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      01-16-2019, 10:27 AM   #1466
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Cuz they like to drop a 2JZ into everything, its like the LS1 here in the US

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Why is everyone on social media screaming to put a 2JZ in the car?

Stock for stock, that motor makes less power than the B58.
It's also way heavier. Iron block vs aluminum.
Wiring would be a nightmare.

So what do you gain? The privilege of spending even more money to make it have more power than the B58? Clout? Being able to sleep tight knowing your Supra has a 2JZ?
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I get that, but there are so few complaints about the modern corolla/celica. At least this didn't come with a pathetic 150whp like the frs/86. And I wouldn't be shocked if audi built the next BMW, they already build everything else
I think itís a bit different cooperating with Suburu. I was just talking to a Supra lover who has the opinion that BMWs are only for showing off in parking lots. Itís a matter of pride, and Toyota lovers canít believe that Toyota wasnít able to build them their halo-ish car. I kinda think itís hilarious.
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      01-16-2019, 11:32 AM   #1468
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A great breakdown. Car continues to look very striking, to me. The more I see, the more I want.
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      01-16-2019, 11:33 AM   #1469
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Because they like me own a car that is only appreciating in value and this travesty soon to be a flop will not hurt my cars value in any way.

Supra was not only great but the greatest cat of its generation and no engine comes close to the earned legendary status of the 2j. Especially hilarious not so great and overrated coming form a bmw owner of all people.

Sure there is room, if there was not the LFA Hellcat Raptor ex would have never been made.
The English here was a bit sketchy so I couldn't make out what you said but if you only aim to buy cars that appreciate in value then all I can do is lol.

You ever drive any of them or do you scooter around town?
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I'm trolling a bit but from a product line standpoint, the RC-F currently holds the top of the line spot of Toyota performance cars.

Entry level: GT-86 ($28K)
Mid Level: A90 Supra ($50K)
Flagship: Lexus RC-F ($80k)

Toyota execs must've seen this and decided not to make the Supra too powerful so that it did not cannibalize sales of the RC-F.

Hopefully, I am wrong, Toyota has said that they want 3 sports cars and hopefully they realized that the RC-F is a GT sedan for older sugar daddies and not close to a sports car. That would mean that there is still another sports car in the works by Toyota, maybe MR-2? but if that's the case where does it fit price wise? in between the $50k Supra and the $28k GT86?

Who knows at this point but I hope we get a $60k car with 380-400hp and some more neat stuff

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Lmao I think you mean the LFA, that's what should have been the Supra.
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The only way the RC-F is going to beat the GTR, in any test that involves moving, is if the driver of the GTR is stuck at line because he's laughing so hard.
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Really? I guess I missed the TOY GT-R killer = RC-F and all of its 467hp.
https://www.lexus.com/models/RCF
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All they would of had to do is take the LFA and make a cheaper version.

One of the nonsense things Toyota said was they no longer make straight 6 engines anymore and wanted the reborn Supra to have one.

If the partnership saved the Z4 thats good. Will Toyota sell a ton of the Supras yes. Will the hardcore Supra fan boys ever be happy no.

Unfortunately I dont think there will be a full blown M version of the new Z4, just the M40 half M variant.

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I think itís a bit different cooperating with Suburu. I was just talking to a Supra lover who has the opinion that BMWs are only for showing off in parking lots. Itís a matter of pride, and Toyota lovers canít believe that Toyota wasnít able to build them their halo-ish car. I kinda think itís hilarious.
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I'm trolling a bit but from a product line standpoint, the RC-F currently holds the top of the line spot of Toyota performance cars.

Entry level: GT-86 ($28K)
Mid Level: A90 Supra ($50K)
Flagship: Lexus RC-F ($80k)

Toyota execs must've seen this and decided not to make the Supra too powerful so that it did not cannibalize sales of the RC-F.

Hopefully, I am wrong, Toyota has said that they want 3 sports cars and hopefully they realized that the RC-F is a GT sedan for older sugar daddies and not close to a sports car. That would mean that there is still another sports car in the works by Toyota, maybe MR-2? but if that's the case where does it fit price wise? in between the $50k Supra and the $28k GT86?

Who knows at this point but I hope we get a $60k car with 380-400hp and some more neat stuff
That makes perfect sense. I saw a quote in an article today from one of the designers who said that part of the reason they aren't currently offering a manual is because they fear it would cannibalize sales of the 86. I would imagine the manual from the M240i would work just fine in this car. It also explains why they would have opted for only offering the lower powered new B58, presumably the B58B30M1. In the same article he said that 335 HP was the "right amount of power" for that car... which if the Z4 can handle 382 HP there is no reason the Supra couldn't. I wouldn't think they would want to put an engine with just 30 less HP than the Lexus RC-F, in a car weighing like 500 lbs less ... cause I would think that it would wallop it on the track.

But I would imagine that just like the previous generation Supra that the first thing a Supra fan would do is start modding the engine immediately. The B58 has been out long enough now that there are already a good amount of them available. Here's hoping that getting some Supras on the road will speed up that process and, say for instance, Dinan will speed up releasing the flash tune for the B58. (Although I have to admit I'm ignorant if a tune meant for a B58B30M0 would work on a B58B30M1.)

And hey, maybe at some point BMW will drop a S58 engine in a "Z4M" and Toyota could get it put into the Supra as well. By that point the current gen RC-F will be long in the tooth enough to either retire or will need a major upgrade. Maybe in that hypothetical version at least some of the air scoops will be functional.
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Love that active cruise control is an option on the Supra. If I can fit a set of golf clubs in the back (as I suspect you can), this is a car I'd definitely consider. They just better provide an interior without those disgusting red highlights.
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