2012 BMW F30 3-series 335i Back Testing On Nurburgring (+ VIDEO)

numba1guju · 07-07-2011, 03:18 PM

V10(R8)...yum

Mark · 07-07-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by black1e

If the rendering turns out to be a true illustration, the rear of the new 3 series won't be much different than the current one. On the other hand, even with the camo the front seems to resemble the F10. Nonetheless, F30 will definitely be more applauded than F20.

Agreed, however the back will be a nice evolution giving that more modern rounded look from the F10 to the F30. I think the front will be spectacular, especially in person. People need to see the F20 in person as well I think.

MsCaballoVerde · 07-07-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by discoboy1

looks too much like a 5 series... good or bad...

Blinkers in mirrors

, they should be more discrete

You just made me think of something: sequential blinkers mounted so the lights shine from the correct side of the car, but go the wrong way...(!)

jayparry · 07-07-2011, 04:12 PM

still not faster than an R8

haha

wonder what the informal time was from those recording?

Evolution_GT · 07-07-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnerxq

Why won't it be a 325i and a 330i first? The names were around for years so why would they stop using them?

Because 328i and 335i are cooler!

kmarei · 07-07-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyzale

I do believe the new steering feel along with the new design on X3, 5 Series have contributed to a big sales boost from other premium brands. I would like to see an adjustability like the suspension will be (see interior photo on the manual).

Trust me
From an owner of a hydraulic steering (M3)
and electric steering ( new X3)
The steering on the X3 is horrible
Damn, even the recirculating ball steering I had on my Chrysler crossover was better than the X3
No feel
And the whole variable assistance sucks
Nothing ruins your confidence in a car like when you're cornering, and suddenly the car starts to change it's line because the stupid computer "thought" this ratio is now better for you

There is only one advantage to electric steering , less power loss
Period. Anyone that tells you otherwise is misguided, or lying.

MsCaballoVerde · 07-07-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Diver

Quite a long gap between the start of production and sales. That may be as much to get the production process "just right". This car has to be perfect...

I'd vote for a return of the BMW roundels to the Hofmeister Kink.

GOLFFRR · 07-07-2011, 05:28 PM

sweet

glorio · 07-07-2011, 06:43 PM

the 3 series looks like a little puppy when the BIG BLUE R8 came out...

Cuz5150 · 07-07-2011, 06:46 PM

Is that the new, new 7 series? Thats a hefty size

RR80 · 07-07-2011, 08:37 PM

Love the color on the test car and it gotta to be nice without the camouflage!

RR80 · 07-07-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wallstreet

Please don't hate. I dig that R8 spyder.

haha, forgive you! I love that R8 too...

IancoleTX · 07-07-2011, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kmarei

There is only one advantage to electric steering , it's cheaper to produce. Period. Anyone that tells you otherwise is misguided, or lying.

Fixed that for you.

If BMW is really ready to sacrifice the entire driving feel of the 3 series to save a few bucks on steering components, then the beancounters have finally won.

desertfox73 · 07-07-2011, 11:53 PM

i thought it was pretty funny to see how quickly it got eaten up by the R8. yikes that was quick. not a comment on the 3 at all...not designed to compete...just a comment on the wicked german kin.

Evolution_GT · 07-08-2011, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by desertfox73

i thought it was pretty funny to see how quickly it got eaten up by the R8. yikes that was quick. not a comment on the 3 at all...not designed to compete...just a comment on the wicked german kin.

Maybe the engineers were trying to be safe? I'm sure the final product will be a great performer. They were simply letting the car pass so they could resume their testing.

I'm sure pushing the car even further could only mean increasing the risk of an accident... and that would be bad press, especially if it got tangled up with the R8.

badsha · 07-08-2011, 02:29 AM

What is so bad about a electrical steering, can someone explain whi it is bad to have??

Forestriver · 07-08-2011, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by desertfox73

i thought it was pretty funny to see how quickly it got eaten up by the R8. yikes that was quick. not a comment on the 3 at all...not designed to compete...just a comment on the wicked german kin.

Nothing has been eaten by Audi )
Do you see any competition at the video? This is just testing work. There are safety rules at the Nordshleife, and in the situation of usual non-competition driving, slower cars shoud let the road to the quicker ones. Otherwise there will be a shit that the slower Ferrari made at Le Mans this year, stopping the race for two quicker Audi R18, making the race driving more than 3 hours under safety car.
You can clearly see the right signal turned on by F30 driver, and clear move to the right border according to the driving rules at the track.

Artc · 07-08-2011, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmarei

Trust me
From an owner of a hydraulic steering (M3)
and electric steering ( new X3)
The steering on the X3 is horrible
Damn, even the recirculating ball steering I had on my Chrysler crossover was better than the X3
No feel
And the whole variable assistance sucks
Nothing ruins your confidence in a car like when you're cornering, and suddenly the car starts to change it's line because the stupid computer "thought" this ratio is now better for you

There is only one advantage to electric steering , less power loss
Period. Anyone that tells you otherwise is misguided, or lying.

As a MY 11 F10 owner, the new 3 is my last hope of BMW producing a car that is good to drive. Previous E46 & E60 were fantastic in comparison to my F10. As said a few times already the electronic steering sucks, and in SE trim (even with VDC) the additional size and weight of the car mean it will never be more than a cruiser.

BMW - don't get the F30 wrong...............

carl_d · 07-08-2011, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Artc

As a MY 11 F10 owner, the new 3 is my last hope of BMW producing a car that is good to drive. Previous E46 & E60 were fantastic in comparison to my F10. As said a few times already the electronic steering sucks, and in SE trim (even with VDC) the additional size and weight of the car mean it will never be more than a cruiser.

BMW - don't get the F30 wrong...............

Agreed. I tired the F10, what a boat, then went for another E90. If F30 is not good to drive then I will be looking elsewhere. I found that VDC makes the F10 even worse - very odd to drive.

I think all this platform sharing is the problem, how can you get an F10 to feel like "a proper 5-Series" when it shares so much with the 7/6/X5 and RR Ghost. Likewise for the F30 and it even shares its platform with the next MINI. I hope they optimsed the platform for the F30 and let the other models be compromised?

ABerry · 07-09-2011, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by desertfox73

i thought it was pretty funny to see how quickly it got eaten up by the R8. yikes that was quick. not a comment on the 3 at all...not designed to compete...just a comment on the wicked german kin.

I don't get it.. you think he was trying to compete with an R8 in a car that hasn't even been announced while being filmed? I don't see how you would ever think he was, BUT if for some reason you thought he was pushing it, that goes out the window when u see the blinker flip on

docjay · 07-09-2011, 07:32 AM

the driver is damn GOOOOOOOOD!!!!

datbimmerdoe · 07-09-2011, 03:53 PM

noice!

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